On Sat, Aug 03, 2024 at 04:10:33PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > On 8/3/24 09:00, Andy Smith wrote: > > Hi, > >
[Very interesting Stuff snipped about ICANN and domain suffixes] > > > > If you use .local for other things it can interfere with mDNS but > > picking almost anything else has very few repercussions (unless you > > are very silly about it), so I don't understand why this topic > > always generates so much debate on this list. > > > > Thanks, > > Andy > Part of the reason it generates more heat than light, Andy, is because off-topicness creaps in. It's an occupational hazard on this list. > I can hint at some of the problems Andy. Because I'm about to try to bring > another bpi-m5 up to run amanda in a 8 to 16 t-byte all solid state NAS. > Gene, With the best will in the world: you'll be bringing up another small ARM board ro do something and assuming that any and all discussion of any other topic is relevant to that. Most of the boards you have are running Armbian (information gathered from another reply from you on debian-arm mailing list recently at https://lists.debian.org/debian-arm/2024/07/msg00018.html .) The folks at Armbian do one job really well. They take the board support packages and random kernels that vendors put out when you buy a board from an OEM somewhere in SE Asia. Those BSPs and kernel versions may not correspond to anything aybody else has - Armbian take them, get the boards running and then drop a Debian or an Ubuntu userland on top. Whatever the vendor has put out to boot up the new board and deal with all its hardware quirks - Armbian will make that run. They don't necessarily undertake to revise it, support it long term. That's not their job as they see it, theirs is to get a board up and running and (relatively) stable before they move on to the next one. That they do *really* well One more time: Armbian may be using a Debian based userland but it's NOT Debian.The underpinning bootstrap routines may be different. They may have chosen different options as they've built effectively yet another Debian derivative per new ARM board. > The coders in charge have gone way beyond just hiding a sensible way of > setting hostname and domainname without using some other tool that isn't > even intuitively named. You can put the arm64 boot media into another > machine, mount it and edit both /etc/hostname and /etc/domainname with nano, > write a copy of your /etc/hosts file to that media. then umount it, put it > back in the target machine, boot it, and both files are wiped & gone. > Why???? > You'll need to take that up with the Armbian folks and see how they've configured Debian userland and the settings in their master image. You'll have to look at the steps that you've taken to customise your instances on your machines on your internal network at coyote.den > The machine has no damned idea of what its domain and hostname is. > Prefilling /etc/hosts with the correct data is a waste of time until that is > configured by the correct tool, Why???? > What logs are you seeing / what error messages? What's the behaviour if your network doesn't give out DHCP but the Armbian software is expecting it? We have no information even for an informed guess. > And if it has to be that difficult to bring up a new machine on your local > 192.168.xxx.zzz unroutable network, why the heck do we not have a fill in > the blanks script to do that. This is 2024, not 1985 and AT&T's Unix-3.3. > There's no excuse for that level of difficulty to exist in 2024. > What are the defaults? > I'll admit that network-mangler has now learned how to do much of that once > you have the names set, but why did it take a decade to reach that state? It > should have been fixed by the end of wheezy. > In default of better information, the rest of us won't know if it's a Debian problem or a Gene problem. With every good wish, as ever, Andy Cater (amaca...@debian.org) > Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. > -- > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. > - Louis D. Brandeis >
