Please start new threads when sidelining into silly arguments. The "IMPORTANT: do NOT upgrade" thread is getting cluttered with useless junk making it hard to determine the current status of the problem.
Also, use a new thread, don't just change the subject line. Some threading mail readers follow the "References" headers still creating confusion. Stuart -- I've never been lost; I was once bewildered for three days, but never lost! -- Daniel Boone