On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 02:22:16AM +1000, Michael Thompson wrote: > Dear Debian, > > I have sent a few emails already, but I suspect I've been talking to the > wrong person... > I'm sure there's a way (on gmail) to forward an email I've sent, to an > additional recipient, but for the life of me, I can't see it. > This is clumsy, but so am I. > -------------------- > Dear Debian, > Hello guys, sorry to bring this up and bother you again, but .... > Using sid with the aarnet.edu.au mirror, and an update took out my > networking. That was about 14 hours ago. > No way to get updates or fixes... leave it a while, and reinstall ~ from > the 12.2 netinstall. > After the 3rd or 4th, I started doing a VirtualBox clone of a base Debian > stable, and then playing with that. Easier than doing the whole install & > upgrade. > First attempt, I set the aarnet mirror up in sources.list for install, but > changed it to > deb http://deb.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free > deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free > ~ and that's all. The problem persists. It isn't a problem with the > Australian mirror. It has been going on for nearly a day now. > If you would like (let me know) I will clone it again and do the > dist-upgrade to full sid and then investigate as you suggest, but ... For > now, I'm just letting you know that sid has networking that's broken. I > don't know what is broken, but it takes out your whole networking and > network cards / adaptors. >
Check your /etc/apt/sources.list - it has changed in Bookworm to allow for non free firmware. If you have no firmware then it wifi might be impacted? Read the release notes. Update from a minimal 12.2 -> testing and testing -> unstable and then add extra packages. In general, if you work with sid, you are absolutely expected to be able to support yourself - there may be periodic major breakage. If it breaks, you really do get to keep both pieces :) With every good wish, as ever, Andy Cater > Yours respectfully, Mike > ---------- > Dear Debian, > > Minor update. I made a clone, and I added the backports repo, but not the > sid. > That's working fine. > ------------------- > mike@debian:~$ sudo apt update > [sudo] password for mike: > Hit:1 http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/debian bookworm InRelease > Hit:2 http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/debian bookworm-updates InRelease > Get:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-backports InRelease [56.5 kB] > Hit:4 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security InRelease > Fetched 56.5 kB in 1s (103 kB/s) > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree... Done > Reading state information... Done > All packages are up to date. > mike@debian:~$ uname -a > Linux debian 6.5.0-0.deb12.1-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian > 6.5.3-1~bpo12+1 (2023-10-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux > mike@debian:~$ > ------------ > Repeat, there is no issue with the networking if you stick to the > backports, but if you do a full dist-upgrade to sid, all your networking > stops and most of your networking tools seem to be missing. The things you > normally do to investigate, like ifconfig ~ return words to the effect that > command is not recognised. > > Respectfully, > Mike > -------------------- > Dear Debian, > > Thank you for your patience. > Minor update. > I have been fiddling, and I found a way to make it work. > Then I thought maybe the Debian team simply fixed it at their end, and the > 'problem' no longer exists. So I made another clone of vanilla Debian and I > tried the normal update / upgrade to sid, and that ran through with the > exact same result as before. We have a 'tasting' clone that has no working > network. > So ~ How did I make it work? > Start with the modify /etc/apt/sources.list. change that to read sid rather > than bookworm, and remove all the other lines. > sudo apt update > sudo apt --list upgradeable > Now, start at the bottom of the list. write sudo apt install, then go copy > the package name of the item to be upgraded. Stop at the '/unstable' . > Paste that after the apt install. Don't stop at one, there's about 800 > packages to upgrade... Do them in batches of roughly a dozen. try to keep > things together that obviously belong together ~ eg, all the Mate desktop > stuff can go through in one install. > I did start by updating the kernel, and build-essential. Then I updated the > network-manager because I thought that was maybe the problem. > Reboot after every few updates, update them about 10 ~ 12 at a time.... it > does take a while, but after a mid point, the numbers start to come down > fairly quickly because of things brought in as dependencies and such. > If you would like me to get and send you my bash history, so you can see > exactly how I bumbled my way through it, let me know. It did take well over > an hour.... > > *** This is from a sid upgrade that has not worked. This is the state it's > in now. *** > > mike@debian:~$ ip adr show > Object "adr" is unknown, try "ip help". > mike@debian:~$ ip addr show > 1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group > default qlen 1000 > link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00 > inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo > valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever > inet6 ::1/128 scope host noprefixroute > valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever > 2: enp0s3: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN group > default qlen 1000 > link/ether 08:00:27:8a:8d:f9 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff > mike@debian:~$ > > > ========= > *** This is from the upgrade I just did. *** > mike@debian:~$ ip addr show > 1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group > default qlen 1000 > link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00 > inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo > valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever > inet6 ::1/128 scope host noprefixroute > valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever > 2: enp0s3: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc fq_codel state > UP group default qlen 1000 > link/ether 08:00:27:8a:8d:f9 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff > inet 10.0.2.15/24 brd 10.0.2.255 scope global dynamic noprefixroute > enp0s3 > valid_lft 86357sec preferred_lft 86357sec > inet6 fe80::a00:27ff:fe8a:8df9/64 scope link noprefixroute > valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever > mike@debian:~$ > ======= > The bash history of the one that worked, that would be a bit long, but let > me know if you want a copy. > > I hope I am being a contributor, not simply noise & distraction. > > Yours respectfully, Mike. > ------------------- > Dear Debian, > > Nobody seems to be talking to me... > I have done this several times now, in new virtual machines. I have managed > to streamline the process a bit. > ====================== > sudo apt install mate-tweak > mate-tweak > sudo apt install neofetch > neofetch > sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade > sudo apt update > sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade > sudo pluma > ------------------------- > opened sources.list > /etc/apt/sources.list and add the following: > > *deb http://deb.debian.org/debian <http://deb.debian.org/debian> sid main > contrib non-freedeb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian > <http://deb.debian.org/debian> sid main contrib non-free* > deleted everything else, only 2 lines in the file > ------------------------- > sudo apt update > sudo apt list --upgradable > sudo apt install linux-image-amd64 build-essential > sudo reboot now > sudo apt update > sudo apt list --upgradable > sudo apt install perl perl-tk perl-modules-5.36 perl-base network-manager > network-manager-gnome netpbm ncurses-term ncurses-bin ncurses-base > sudo apt install libteam-utils iptables network-manager-openconnect-gnome > network-manager-openvpn-gnome network-manager-vpnc-gnome > network-manager-pptp-gnome perl-doc libterm-readline-gnu-perl > libterm-readline-perl-perl libtap-harness-archive-perl > sudo apt update > sudo apt list --upgradable > sudo apt install mawk media-types mesa-va-drivers mesa-vdpau-drivers > mesa-vulkan-drivers modemmanager mount nftables ocl-icd-libopencl1 > openssh-client > sudo reboot now > sudo apt update > sudo apt dist-upgrade > sudo reboot now > ------------ > What I got first, was the kernel and build-essential package. > Reboot > Next I went for the modem manager and anything I could see that related to > networking – like nf-tables & modem-manager openssh-client > Reboot > Next ~ cross fingers and go for the full dist-upgrade. > That worked, and the networking survived and is now working fine. > This is a very significant improvement on the 1st effort, which involved > about 17 reboots and manually installing things about ten at a time, from > bottom to top, and removing anything that caused objections from apt. > That’s with a reboot after each cycle. That’s an extremely slow & tedious > method, but it works. > This is also slow & tedious, but it is a damn site faster & easier than the > first successful attempt. > Don’t even ask about the unsuccessful attempts. > =========== > > I hope this is helpful ~ > Mike
