On 6/17/23 04:44, didier gaumet wrote:
Le 16/06/2023 à 20:32, gene heskett a écrit :
greetings, just had to reinstall bullseye. from an 11.2 netinstall.
Sudo -E cannot run synaptic, and cannot run it from menu pulldown
after entering my pw. So what package manager with a gui for selection
is compatible with wayland? Something I can get apt to install from a
sudo -i shell?
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
Hello Gene,
- Nowadays for security reasons, it it discouraged to run an entire GUI
application as root (like it is discouraged to launch X11 as root).
The present norm is more to have a selected elevation of privilges by
a Polkit procedure (managed by the application), so the entire GUI
application does not run as root, only the minimum parts of it that
demand root privileges.
- I just tested in a virtualized Debian 12 (right now I am in a Fedora
session): if your distro and Synaptic are correctly installed, when you
launch Synaptic as an ordinary user, you will have to enter the root
password.
So: forget sudo for lauching Synaptic
There is no "root" pw, I use sudo for everything that needs root.
Selecting synaptic from the menu as me, sks for he pw, doesn't mention
root requirement, and just goes away when I enter my sudo passwd.
What does it take to make synaptic wok with sudo? Or, how do I get rid
of wayland.?
Someone suggested apper but when apt is set to install it, it brings 164
other totally randomly named packages with it. From that screen:
The following NEW packages will be installed:
apper apper-data appstream apt-config-icons debconf-kde-data
debconf-kde-helper kded5 kio kwayland-data kwayland-integration
libappstreamqt2 libaribb24-0 libcddb2
libdbusmenu-qt5-2 libdebconf-kde1 libdouble-conversion3 libdvbpsi10
libebml5 libfam0 libgles2 libhfstospell11 libixml10 libkf5archive5
libkf5attica5 libkf5auth-data
libkf5authcore5 libkf5codecs-data libkf5codecs5 libkf5completion-data
libkf5completion5 libkf5config-bin libkf5config-data libkf5configcore5
libkf5configgui5
libkf5configwidgets-data libkf5configwidgets5 libkf5coreaddons-data
libkf5coreaddons5 libkf5crash5 libkf5dbusaddons-bin
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libkf5kiogui5 libkf5kiontlm5 libkf5kiowidgets5
libkf5notifications-data libkf5notifications5 libkf5service-bin
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Surely a package manager can be written that can work with sudo and
wayland if you are going to shove wayland down our throats. Or give us
back the switch icon that used to be on the lightdm login box.
- As a GUI package manager, an alternative to Synaptic is Gnome-packagekit
This only drug in 7 more pieces, and it seems to work except the search
is too literal, but it can be used, IF you use your imagination on the
name shown in the menu.
Thank you Didier, this sure isn't synaptic but it is usable.
- if you want an even more user-friendly and guided approach, use an app
store instead of a package manager: Gnome-software or Apper
I do use several AppImages because of debians glacial speed of updating
software, so OpenSCAD, DigiKam, Cura and several other less often used
apps are years out of date. And bugs don't get fixed, apparently ever.
Like the udev bug where it generates /dev/serial/by-path, but not
/dev/serial/by-id. That is a total show stopper for people with a 3d
printer, and you've known about it for 6 months, but it is not yet fixed
in bookworm. Maybe trixie? A 2 line fix in
/etc/udev/rules.d/60-serial.rules that was somehow dropped 6 months+
ago. Is it available in backports for bullseye? Not listed if
"packages" searches for backports.
Take care & stay well, Didier.
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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