Hi, I am new here. Can anybody help me with this; I have a 2021 Macbook Pro 16" and am trying to install Debian via USB to USB C. The boot loader is recognizing the keyboard and trackpad on the 2007 keyboard I want to use but the OS will not recognize it once opened. I only have one USB - USB C connector. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you. On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 8:34 PM <debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org> wrote:
> Content-Type: text/plain > > debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2023 : > Issue 416 > > Today's Topics: > Re: disk usage for /usr/lib on bulls [ David Wright < > deb...@lionunicorn.co ] > Re: Logging off an X session closes [ <to...@tuxteam.de> ] > Re: bind9 and dns forward [ Michel Verdier <mv...@free.fr> ] > Gnome Evolution charset question [ Byung-Hee HWANG > =?UTF-8?Q?=28=E9=BB ] > Re: Gnome Evolution charset question [ Alex <a...@blueselene.com> ] > Re: Gnome Evolution charset question [ Byung-Hee HWANG > =?UTF-8?Q?=28=E9=BB ] > Re: I installed 11.6 [ Greg Wooledge <g...@wooledge.org> > ] > Re: I installed 11.6 [ Henning Follmann > <hfollmann@itcfoll ] > Re: I installed 11.6 [ gene heskett < > ghesk...@shentel.net> ] > Re: I installed 11.6 [ David Christensen > <dpchrist@holgerd ] > Re: Wi-Fi broken on Dell E6520, Inte [ David Christensen > <dpchrist@holgerd ] > Re: repeat of previous question that [ Alex King <a...@king.net.nz> ] > Re: repeat of previous question that [ David <curmudg...@telaman.net.au> > ] > Date: Fri, 5 May 2023 23:51:33 -0500 > From: David Wright <deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk> > To: "debian-user@lists.debian.org" <debian-user@lists.debian.org> > Subject: Re: disk usage for /usr/lib on bullseye > Message-ID: <zfxc1yuf2qrmr...@axis.corp> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > On Fri 05 May 2023 at 14:35:08 (+0000), Bonno Bloksma wrote: > > As I was trying to find out what would work and if I was doing something > wrong getting rid of old kernels.... > > > > After upgrading a new kernel for a week I will do apt autoremove to get > rid of the old kernel(s). > > And this will produce the situation you have with 16 and 17: > > linutr:/usr/lib/modules# du * -sh > 4.7M 5.10.0-16-amd64 > 4.7M 5.10.0-17-amd64 > 309M 5.10.0-18-amd64 > 309M 5.10.0-19-amd64 > 309M 5.10.0-20-amd64 > 309M 5.10.0-21-amd64 > > You need to run apt --purge autoremove in order to remove the > files that aren't in the linux-package that you installed. Look: > > $ ls -Glg /lib/modules/5.10.0-21-amd64/ > total 4968 > drwxr-xr-x 12 4096 Jan 23 21:45 kernel > -rw-r--r-- 1 1241172 Jan 23 21:46 modules.alias > -rw-r--r-- 1 1187730 Jan 23 21:46 modules.alias.bin > -rw-r--r-- 1 5541 Jan 21 08:35 modules.builtin > -rw-r--r-- 1 0 Jan 23 21:46 modules.builtin.alias.bin > -rw-r--r-- 1 6754 Jan 23 21:46 modules.builtin.bin > -rw-r--r-- 1 38430 Jan 21 08:35 modules.builtin.modinfo > -rw-r--r-- 1 498055 Jan 23 21:46 modules.dep > -rw-r--r-- 1 671751 Jan 23 21:46 modules.dep.bin > -rw-r--r-- 1 476 Jan 23 21:46 modules.devname > -rw-r--r-- 1 154011 Jan 21 08:35 modules.order > -rw-r--r-- 1 1067 Jan 23 21:46 modules.softdep > -rw-r--r-- 1 562879 Jan 23 21:46 modules.symbols > -rw-r--r-- 1 685618 Jan 23 21:46 modules.symbols.bin > $ > > apt (auto)remove only removes the package files, dated Jan 21. > The ones here dated Jan 23 were generated when the package was > installed, and are only removed when you /purge/ the package. > > > Debian will automatically keep the current kernel and the previous in > the /boot folder. > > Somehow, I get the feeling there either is a bug which causes the > /usr/lib/modules/ folder not to be cleaned up or there are somehow links to > it from packages that were updated when a specific kernel was active. > > > But.... is this a bug in the cleanup of an old kernel or are there realy > links to the old modules, links that are now broken? > > If it s a bug, who will report it? I know only enough to report the > symptoms. > > Someone who demonstrates it. AFAICT you don't seem to be aware of > the --purge option and the necessity of using it here, and have > likely just forgotten to even run apt autoremove in the case of > versions 18 and 19 above (where the modules are also present). > > On Fri 05 May 2023 at 11:54:55 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Fri, May 05, 2023 at 02:35:08PM +0000, Bonno Bloksma wrote: > > > Just created a snapshot of my servers and then did: > [ … ] > > It seems like you're just trying random commands without understanding > > what they do. > > Agreed. It makes you wonder how much in this thread that was written > about these commands has been absorbed. > > > > I am now cleaning some by hand. Running kernel -22 and having -21 as > backup kernel I did: > > > xxxxx:/usr/lib/modules# rm -rd 5.10.0-16-amd64/ > > > xxxxx:/usr/lib/modules# rm -rd 5.10.0-17-amd64/ > > > xxxxx:/usr/lib/modules# rm -rd 5.10.0-18-amd64/ > > > > One imagines that if you simply purged all of the kernel packages that > > had been autoremoved, this would clean up the modules. But I'm not > > 100% sure about that. If you've got modules that were built by dkms > > for example, I don't know whether those would be removed. > > Custom modules would remain, and the rest of the directory tree > removed. This is confirmed by the postrm script, which disposes > of the equivalents to those files dated Jan 23 above. > > if [ "$1" = purge ]; then > for extra_file in modules.dep modules.isapnpmap modules.pcimap \ > modules.usbmap modules.parportmap \ > modules.generic_string modules.ieee1394map \ > modules.ieee1394map modules.pnpbiosmap \ > modules.alias modules.ccwmap modules.inputmap \ > modules.symbols modules.ofmap \ > modules.seriomap modules.\*.bin \ > modules.softdep modules.devname; do > eval rm -f /lib/modules/$version/$extra_file > done > rmdir /lib/modules/$version || true > fi > > > It would be nice to know whether you had to do this "rm -r" because the > > "dpkg --purge linux-image-5.10.0-16-amd64" failed to remove the modules, > > or whether you simply did not KNOW to try the dpkg --purge first. > > I don't think dpkg had yet been suggested as a solution, but it would > do just the same thing, because that is what APT itself uses of course. > Again, custom files would remain, with the usual > > dpkg: warning: while removing x, directory 'y' not empty so not removed > > message as a reminder. > > Cheers, > David. > Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 07:07:06 +0200 > From: <to...@tuxteam.de> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started > previously from outside X > Message-ID: <zfxgegfoxdx6o...@tuxteam.de> > Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; > protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Ny7+0JRQSfAVW2me" > Content-Disposition: inline > > --Ny7+0JRQSfAVW2me > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On Sat, May 06, 2023 at 10:24:52AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > > On 05/05/2023 20:04, zithro wrote: > > > journalctl after GUI LOGOFF > >=20 > > I do not see obvious problems. What might be inspected more closely: > >=20 > > > May 05 14:09:14 debzit systemd[711]: Stopping D-Bus User Message Bus... > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > If it is the bus shared with ssh connection than it may be an issue, > > however it is for systemd unit, real process may be running > independently. > > This would be easy to find out. @zithro: how many instances of dbus > are running once you have started all your processes *and* logged > in to the DE session? > > If it's only one user dbus, then logging out is taking that one away. > > Perhaps this would be an interesting data point: > > 1 ps wwaux | grep dbus; keep the result > 2 start all your programs; don't log in into your DE yet > 3 repeat 1 > 4 log into your DE > 5 repeat 1 > 6 log out; your programs get killed > 7 repeat 1 > > Now compare the results of 1, 3, 5 and 7. Then,we would know whether > your DE is re-using the user session bus (possibly) started at 2 > and taking it out at 6. > > This is my hunch. > > Then, at least, you'd know whom to yell at :-) > > Cheers > --=20 > t > > --Ny7+0JRQSfAVW2me > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > iF0EABECAB0WIQRp53liolZD6iXhAoIFyCz1etHaRgUCZFXgdAAKCRAFyCz1etHa > RkfTAJ9KOLHnp7wlsfi++fKjR2v4VBnjygCeOsTpQl/tgJl4ykAA58prcmi25lo= > =LuV5 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --Ny7+0JRQSfAVW2me-- > Date: Sat, 06 May 2023 08:54:52 +0200 > From: Michel Verdier <mv...@free.fr> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: bind9 and dns forward > Message-Id: <87o7myt0ww....@free.fr> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Le 5 mai 2023 Bonno Bloksma a =C3=A9crit : > > > linbobo:/etc/bind# cat named.conf.local > > You have only zone blocks in this file, right ? > And you don't use views ? > > > Why does it first go to the public dns and then run into the dnssec > probl= > em? There is a direct definition for the tio.nl zone in my config file.=20 > > The public dns don't answer at all, so dnssec problem is only a > consequence. The main problem seems to be the broken forwarding. > Do you restart or flush your bind before the queries ? I suppose you do > but... :) > > Your tio.nl zone seems correct. Could you provide full > /etc/bind/named.conf.options and /etc/bind/named.conf ? > Date: Sat, 06 May 2023 20:59:38 +0900 > From: Byung-Hee HWANG =?UTF-8?Q?=28=E9=BB=83=E7=82=B3=E7=86=99=29?= > <soyeo...@doraji.xyz> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Gnome Evolution charset question > Message-ID: <2a690eddaac78226da39ab9a00c68c9ed20c10af.ca...@doraji.xyz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Hellow, > > I was using Gnome Evolution for a while. > Most are good. But Headers' charset is odd. > > Evolution's Content-Type is *always* UTF-8. > In my case, however, From's my name and Organization header and Subject > header, these headers are encoded by [EUC-KR]. > > That is feature? Or that is bug? > > In contrast, Mozilla Thunderbird does encoding all charset by [UTF-8]. > > My point is that: > Evolution should do encoding by UTF-8 *really* like as Thunderbird. > > > Sincerely, Byung-Hee (Korean Debian user) > > --=20 > ^=EA=B3=A0=EB=A7=99=EC=8A=B5=EB=8B=88=EB=8B=A4 > _=E5=B8=83=E5=BE=B7=E5=A4=A9= > =E4=B8=8B_ =EA=B0=90=EC=82=AC=ED=95=A9=EB=8B=88=EB=8B=A4_^))// > Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 14:03:26 +0200 > From: Alex <a...@blueselene.com> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Gnome Evolution charset question > Message-ID: <20230506140326.3ba5e...@blueselene.com> > Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/S187iBlnIN5BPz.dYr2Fc6C"; > protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 > > --Sig_/S187iBlnIN5BPz.dYr2Fc6C > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On Sat, 06 May 2023 20:59:38 +0900 > Byung-Hee HWANG (=E9=BB=83=E7=82=B3=E7=86=99) <soyeo...@doraji.xyz> > wrote: > > > My point is that: > > Evolution should do encoding by UTF-8 *really* like as Thunderbird. > > You should bring this up at > https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/-/issues, or at their mailing > list. > > --=20 > Current PGP KeyID: 0AFB427F1800FD89751C4035292228735AE707FF > > > https://blueselene.com/pgp-archive/0AFB427F1800FD89751C4035292228735AE707FF= > /key.pub > > My previous key has been revoked, make sure to import it again to > update your keyring: > > https://blueselene.com/pgp-archive/11ADE4393600C1BDFFCBC0A598DE15942B08CA00= > /key.pub=20 > <https://blueselene.com/pgp-archive/11ADE4393600C1BDFFCBC0A598DE15942B08CA00=/key.pub=20> > > For up-to-date information on my crypto keys see > https://blueselene.com/crypto.html > > --Sig_/S187iBlnIN5BPz.dYr2Fc6C > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature > Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > iHUEARYIAB0WIQQK+0J/GAD9iXUcQDUpIihzWucH/wUCZFZCDgAKCRApIihzWucH > /1ysAP4qaa3qq6zH21txrgHVHXBIyihIRcE596Wnjo1oKexwGAEAlvJiMTS3MN8R > WIVgbD4RYSJ5+AF5Mk+mW+RG5cv6kA4= > =qDEd > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --Sig_/S187iBlnIN5BPz.dYr2Fc6C-- > Date: Sat, 06 May 2023 21:25:56 +0900 > From: Byung-Hee HWANG =?UTF-8?Q?=28=E9=BB=83=E7=82=B3=E7=86=99=29?= > <soyeo...@doraji.xyz> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Gnome Evolution charset question > Message-ID: <7f7dfd78b640336f559ea757b7f87ba979ee6a93.ca...@doraji.xyz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On Sat, 2023-05-06 at 14:03 +0200, Alex wrote: > > On Sat, 06 May 2023 20:59:38 +0900 > > Byung-Hee HWANG (=E9=BB=83=E7=82=B3=E7=86=99)=C2=A0 <soyeo...@doraji.xyz > >= > wrote: > >=20 > > > My point is that: > > > Evolution should do encoding by UTF-8 *really* like as Thunderbird. > >=20 > > You should bring this up at > > https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/-/issues, or at their > > mailing > > list. > >=20 > > Thanks, Alex!=C2=A0 > If i am sure this is bug, i'll push this question someday far later. > > > And for a while, i'll use below trick: > <quote> > alias evo=3D'LANG=3Den_US.UTF-8 evolution &' > </quote> > > That bypasses [EUC-KR] in Evolution. > > > Sincerely, Byung-Hee (Korean Debian user) > > --=20 > ^=EA=B3=A0=EB=A7=99=EC=8A=B5=EB=8B=88=EB=8B=A4 > _=E5=B8=83=E5=BE=B7=E5=A4=A9= > =E4=B8=8B_ =EA=B0=90=EC=82=AC=ED=95=A9=EB=8B=88=EB=8B=A4_^))// > Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 09:02:18 -0400 > From: Greg Wooledge <g...@wooledge.org> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: I installed 11.6 > Message-ID: <zfzp2ijopajxy...@wooledge.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > > On Fri, May 05, 2023 at 11:27:45PM -0400, Maureen L Thomas wrote: > > I installed debian 11.6 and updated the needed packages to 11.7. > > > I hate upgrading because they change everything > > An upgrade from 11.x to 11.y should not have too many visible changes. > It's a minor "point release" upgrade, which in an ideal world would > only contain security patches and bug fixes. > > Occasionally there's a visible change that makes its way in, but it > shouldn't be major. > > You should get in the habit of applying *all* of the point release > updates, every time. Keep your system up to date on security patches, > and your life will be a lot simpler. > Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 09:40:50 -0400 > From: Henning Follmann <hfollm...@itcfollmann.com> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: I installed 11.6 > Message-ID: <ZFZY4vL2Eo3k62JN@Oppenheimer> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > On Fri, May 05, 2023 at 11:27:45PM -0400, Maureen L Thomas wrote: > > I installed debian 11.6 and updated the needed packages to 11.7. I must > say > > that I hate upgrading because they change everything and I cannot find > the > > utilities I need to make this the way I want it. Does anyone know which > > utility changes the window settings. Like the X in the upper right hand > > corner. I want all three items including the - and the box. > > > Updates should not change any user settings but I take your word for it. > If you have a default install (GNOME DE) to get your Title Bar customized > you will use GNOME Tweaks. In the application menu this shows up just as > "Tweaks". There is a menu item "Window Titlebar" ther you canenable the > minimize and maximize icons and where these re placed (left or right). > > HTH > -H > > > > -- > Henning Follmann | hfollm...@itcfollmann.com > Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 12:18:39 -0400 > From: gene heskett <ghesk...@shentel.net> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: I installed 11.6 > Message-ID: <0fdeaaec-b87f-8970-e488-c19842da3...@shentel.net> > Content-Language: en-US > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > On 5/6/23 09:03, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Fri, May 05, 2023 at 11:27:45PM -0400, Maureen L Thomas wrote: > >> I installed debian 11.6 and updated the needed packages to 11.7. > > > >> I hate upgrading because they change everything > > > > An upgrade from 11.x to 11.y should not have too many visible changes. > > It's a minor "point release" upgrade, which in an ideal world would > > only contain security patches and bug fixes. > > > > Occasionally there's a visible change that makes its way in, but it > > shouldn't be major. > > > > You should get in the habit of applying *all* of the point release > > updates, every time. Keep your system up to date on security patches, > > and your life will be a lot simpler. > > > Everything but the rpi4 got a new avahi this morning and that changed my > cups problems around considerably, but I've not had a chance yet to do a > full survey. Indications are that some busters are now blocked also. > > . > > Cheers, Gene Heskett. > -- > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. > - Louis D. Brandeis > Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/> > Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 12:35:35 -0700 > From: David Christensen <dpchr...@holgerdanske.com> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: I installed 11.6 > Message-ID: <3770cd83-6438-0014-96e9-79fba279d...@holgerdanske.com> > Content-Language: en-US > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > On 5/5/23 20:27, Maureen L Thomas wrote: > > I installed debian 11.6 and updated the needed packages to 11.7. I must > > say that I hate upgrading because they change everything and I cannot > > find the utilities I need to make this the way I want it. Does anyone > > know which utility changes the window settings. Like the X in the upper > > right hand corner. I want all three items including the - and the box. > > > > Thank you guys for all your help. > > > I am glad that you were able to install Debian. You should now have a > working computer. I assume that you are now configuring the operating > system, desktop, applications, etc., and restoring your data. > > > Once you reach stability, it would be good to take an image of the OS > drive. If and when you suffer another disaster, restoring an image is > much faster and more reliable than installing, configuring, and > restoring from scratch. Clonezilla is the obvious choice: > > https://clonezilla.org/ > > > While drag-and-drop to a USB HDD is the KISS backup method, there is a > fundamental issue: what happens the next time you backup? If you > overwrite/delete the previous backup set, then you only have one backup > of each file. If you make another complete backup set, then you fill up > your backup media quickly. There are more efficient backup solutions > available. You should pick one and implement it: > > https://wiki.debian.org/BackupAndRecovery > > > Burning data to optical media (archiving) with Brasero is still a good > idea. Over time, the media containing your images and backups (e.g. USB > HDD) will fill up and you will need to delete older images and backups > to make room for new images and backups. Archives are how you keep data > indefinitely. > > > Finally, get another USB HDD. Keep one connected to your computer, keep > one off-site, and rotate them periodically. When one fails, you will > still have images and backups. > > > David > Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 13:55:32 -0700 > From: David Christensen <dpchr...@holgerdanske.com> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Wi-Fi broken on Dell E6520, Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 > AGN, > Debian 11.7 Xfce > Message-ID: <bb3dc31e-fb42-96ca-06cb-546f72fd5...@holgerdanske.com> > Content-Language: en-US > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > debian-user: > > I did some more trouble-shooting and found a better solution: > > * Dell Latitude E6520 used as desktop/admin on SOHO network: > > 2023-05-06 13:51:42 root@laalaa ~ > # cat /etc/debian_version;uname -a;dpkg-query -W xfce4;lspci|grep Centrino > 11.7 > Linux laalaa 5.10.0-22-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.178-3 (2023-04-22) > x86_64 GNU/Linux > xfce4 4.16 > 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6205 > [Taylor Peak] (rev 34) > > * Default Setup/CMOS/NVRAM settings: > > Settings > + Wireless > + Wireless Switch > | WWAN checked > | WLAN checked > | Bluetooth checked > + Wireless Device Enable > WWAN checked > WLAN checked > Bluetooth checked > > * Network Manager settings: > > Xfce panel > -> right click NetworkManager Applet > -> Edit Connections > -> Wi-Fi > -> wifi.tracy.holgerdanske.com > -> gear (Edit the selected connection) > > General > Connect automatically with priority 0 > Wi-Fi > SSID wifi.tracy.holgerdanske.com > Device wlp3s0 > Wi-Fi Security > Security WPA & WPA2 Personal > Password ******** > Proxy > Method None > IPv4 Settings > Method Automatic (DHCP) > IPv6 Settings > Method Automatic > > > Now when I boot and login, Wi-Fi connects automatically. :-) > > > David > Date: Sun, 7 May 2023 11:02:11 +1200 > From: Alex King <a...@king.net.nz> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: repeat of previous question that has gone > unansweredseveraltimes. > Message-ID: <622f1291-78ff-98e8-bd7d-183d787a5...@king.net.nz> > Content-Language: en-US > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Printing on Linux is poor. CUPS is poor. It doesn't work for some (a > lot?) of people. > > I have a Brother HL-L2300D printer. It is connected to my (Debian > bullseye) workstation by USB. I have CUPS installed. > > My printer prints sometime. Other times, it spins up (makes a noise > like it is about to start printing), but nothing comes out. I can't get > any useful diagnostics to tell me where the problem might be. > > My parents, who live some distance away have an HP inkjet printer. It > works sometimes. Other times it doesn't. I get it set up so it's > working and it might work for a while, but it will stop working for no > reason. There might be several queues for the printer; some work and > some just don't. A working queue will stop working for no discernible > reason. Working queues will disappear, new queues will appear seemingly > at random. The print system will default to an automatically provided > queue that could never work, because it relies on some software > component that is not installed.... etc... etc... > > Between my parents and my own system, I have spent 10s or 100s of hours > trying to get a reliable printing system over decades, with many > different printers. Maybe there were periods where printing worked OK. > But I haven't managed to achieve reliable printing in the medium term. > > I read ESR https://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cups-horror.html, and my > personal experience is that nothing much has changed in the "driverless" > era. > > I've been a sysadmin for 30 odd years, configuring different aspects of > linux (webservers, email servers, DNS, networking, desktop environments > etc.) using open source software. Some problems are difficult to solve, > but I've always found that having a good basic understanding, checking > logs, using tools to confirm what is happening, and doing research on > how things work, allows me to solve those problems eventually. > > Not so with CUPS and printing. I have tried many different approaches > (e.g. * reinstall from scratch, accept the default packages and default > options. * go to the linux printing site and follow the recommended > method for my model of printer * try to understand how CUPS works, set > up as statically and simply as possible, and use standard tools to > troubleshoot printing failures.) I have not succeeded with any approach. > > It could be that I have struck certain models of printer with bugs. > Hardware and firmware bugs exist, and not just in printers. However, I > don't find hardware or firmware bugs cause me significant pain as there > are normally software or configuration based work-arounds/allowances for > them in Debian. Except for printers. These same printer models work > much more reliably in MacOS and Windows. > > Back in the lpr/lpd days things were more reliable. > > Is there a deeper problem affecting printing on linux? I asked work > colleagues and got two responses: > > "oh, shit. you’re actually printing from linux. my condolences.', and > > "I use Epson and Ubuntu, never had an issue with print over IP - so I > can attest to drivers working from that perspective atleast" > > My perspective is that there is a significant issue, at least for a > portion of users. > > Implying the user is at fault (which Brian isn't necessarily doing > here,) or acting surprised when someone has trouble printing, is like > gaslighting. Maybe it works OK for you, but please understand that is > not the general case. Debian can't support every printer for every > user, but knowing that, CUPS should come with a health warning: "We > supply this software as-is in the knowledge that it has known faults, > and will not work reliably for all users. We wish there were a way that > Debian users could reliably print, but there is not. You may get some > help on Debian User, but in general printing is not supported." > > Thanks, > Alex > > On 6/05/23 05:45, Brian wrote: > > Your conclusion is that the printing system is in itself is defective > and that is > > reflected in your response. > Date: Sun, 07 May 2023 10:03:20 +1000 > From: David <curmudg...@telaman.net.au> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: repeat of previous question that has gone > unansweredseveraltimes. > Message-ID: <694d340c7fcc0279352684feeb03f13c7b33c317.ca...@telaman.net.au > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On Sun, 2023-05-07 at 11:02 +1200, Alex King wrote: > > Printing on Linux is poor.=C2=A0 CUPS is poor.=C2=A0 It doesn't work for > = > some > > (a=20 > > lot?) of people. > > I bought an Epson WF-C5290 18 months ago, connected it up, installed > the Linux driver provided on the Epson site, and it has been as solid > as a rock. > Very happy with it. > Cheers! > > <snip> > > --=20 > A Kiwi in Australia, > doing my bit toward raising the national standard. >
