On Mon, Apr 3, 2023 at 1:31 PM Emanuel Berg <in...@dataswamp.org> wrote: > > Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > >> I saw many commands in /bin and /usr/bin are written by > >> perl. is perl still the first choice for sysadmin on linux? > > > > I am surprised this thread has not started a mini-flame war. > > We are working on it ... > > > About the best you can say is, Perl is one of the more > > popular scripting languages. Trying to pin down the "best" > > will fail because it is opinion based. > > I think the true professional should be able to read/edit both > and be pretty fluent in at least one. (Here, by professional > I mean in terms of skills and dedication, not necessarily > making a living doing it.) Perl is cooler and more old-school, > maybe ultimately more powerful and creative from what you guys > say about it, but if you don't know either I think the ease of > learning it, development speed, the volume of people doing it > and available resources to help you with that online, that > favors Python as the 1st choice. > > > Next, you might ask which is the best editor to use on Unix > > & Linux. That should really stir the pot :) Emacs for > > the win! > > You better believe it. It is based on Lisp! > > But I have respect for the Vi(m) people as well, for sure, not > sure exactly what the currently prefered Vim-style editor > implementation is? neovim? > > Here are the most popular channels on Libera right now. > See arrows for editors, unless I missed someone. > > Emacs (position 16) has 854, Vim (22) has 705 and neovim (41) > 490. However combined Vim has 1195 which would be position 6 - > overlap not considered ... > > I you like that table (the enumeration), I made it with this: > > https://dataswamp.org/~incal/emacs-init/enum.el [yanked last] > > Note the `cl-loop' at line 27 - I mentioned it earlier, CL > functionality implemented in Elisp - and note especially the > "unlispy" syntax - this as someone touched upon, that in Perl > you can do the same thing in different ways - here we see > a miniature language (the unlispy syntax, which is > imperative/procedural in style, only better), replicating the > behavior of another language CL, implemented by and used > in Elisp! > > Still not convinced? Okay, use Vim, really, it's cool ... > > 1. #linux 2184 > 2. #fedora 1696 > 3. #python 1688 > 4. #libera 1577 > 5. #archlinux 1474 > 6. #ubuntu 1146 > 7. #networking 1035 > 8. ##rust 968 > 9. #ansible 894 > 10. #security 884 > 11. #gentoo 875 > 12. #bash 867 > 13. #git 857 > 14. #c 857 > 15. #postgresql 856 > 16. #emacs 854 <-- Emacs > 17. #debian 843 > 18. ##programming 760 > 19. #go-nuts 718 > 20. #openbsd 717 > 21. #freebsd 714 > 22. #vim 705 <-- Vim > 23. #thelounge 705 > 24. #hardware 702 > 25. #haskell 680 > 26. #wireguard 668 > 27. #weechat 649 > 28. #lobsters 623 > 29. #plasma-bigscreen 613 > 30. ##math 609 > 31. #matrix 608 > 32. #raspberrypi 580 > 33. #znc 578 > 34. #C++ 573 > 35. #docker 556 > 36. #monero 530 > 37. #systemd 525 > 38. ##electronics 510 > 39. #podman 499 > 40. ##chat 495 > 41. #neovim 490 <-- neovim > 42. #hamradio 485
Here are three more data points. * Emacs - 41 CVEs since 2000 [1] * Vi - 61 CVEs since 1999 [2] * Vim - 656 CVEs since 2001 [3] I'm not sure how many CVEs overlap for Vim due to Vi. Jeff [1] https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=emacs [2] https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=vi [3] https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=vim
