On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 08:29:42PM +0100, Marco Möller wrote: > On 22.01.22 15:24, songbird wrote: > > Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > ... > > > When this topic came up i googled around for learning about the actual > > > conflict. > > > This mail by Norbert Preining > > > > > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2018/12/msg00032.html > > > > > > describes his view on his demotion from Debian Developer to Debian > > > Maintainer by the Debian Account Mangers (DAM) initiated by the > > > Anti Harassment team (AH, now Community team). > > > His mail quotes some of their mails. The follow-ups contain replies by > > > the other side of this conflict. > > > > > > I think the further deterioration of his relation with Debian stems from > > > there, but i did not explore 900 matches of > > > > > > > > > https://lists.debian.org/cgi-bin/search?P=Norbert+Preining&DEFAULTOP=or&B=Gdebian-project&SORT=&HITSPERPAGE=10 > > > > > > > > > Have a nice day :) > > > > excellent reply and pretty much my own feelings on the matter > > too. :) > > > > if people want to keep trolling on the matter it's all fine with > > me but it doubtful it will shed any more light in relation to how > > much heat it will give off for not much gain. > > > > > > songbird > > > > Asking for transparency to sound like trolling wasn't my intention. I am > sorry if I wasn't able to find the correct wording for keeping these to > things distinguishable. > > Being a grateful user of Debian, and being in my circle of influence a > strong advocate of the Debian project, and also of the KDE Plasma desktop > environment as available in Debian, I do not feel it to be, lets say, > insolent, if interested in community affairs. Actually, I feel it desirable > to stay well informed for reinforcing advocacy, and asking for transparency > is to me a coherent step. > > I feel that a concise statement from Debian insiders would gain a lot to not > provoke avoidable discussions and would right away defeat heat given off > obstructively. > As Thomas pointed out, there are hundreds of posts from years old > discussions which appear to be the prelude to the current situation. Some of > these public discussions have been quite controversial, partly also > questioning if community processes are always taking place sufficiently > transparent. Currently I find only a public statement from one party. This > could harm the Debian project. Some concise statement from somebody in the > Debian project with insights into the issue could prevent Debian from bad > repute by declassifying which are the positions of the present disagreement. > > Best wishes, > Marco >
On behalf of DAM - the Debian Account Managers - the brief statement follows: ==== Norbert's status as Debian Developer has been officially withdrawn after repeated violations of the Debian Code of Conduct. An appeal process was also initiated and has concluded. It upheld the withdrawal of the Debian Developer status. That withdrawal does not prevent him from making contributions to the Debian Project. However, it's entirely understandable that he might choose to leave the community instead. That is a decision we must respect, and I'd ask you to do so as well. ===== With every good wish, Andrew Cater
