On Wed, Sep 01, 2021 at 09:06:47AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Sat 28 Aug 2021 at 22:19:05 (-0400), songbird wrote: > > David Wright wrote: > > > On Sat 28 Aug 2021 at 08:36:32 (-0400), songbird wrote: > > ... > > >> just to note that using "bookworm" in your subject line can > > >> give the implication that "bookworm" is actually released which > > >> it hasn't. it is much better to use the keyword "testing" in > > >> the subject line instead. > > > > > > I don't know where you got that from. > > > > because testing has always been just testing to me, when > > the images are made and sent out as official releases with > > their signed packages and keys and all the rest that is when > > i consider them by their code names. that is when the > > release team actually releases it. just because i am following > > along while they are putting it together in testing or sid > > doesn't mean it is done. > > That seems a reasonable viewpoint if you're a perpetual testing user, > living entirely in the present. > > > > A Release gets a *number*. > > > (The number that might be given to trixie will depend on how > > > superstitious the Debian release team is.) It's legitimate to talk > > > about, say, features that might be retained in bookworm, but dropped > > > by trixie. That's what the codenames are for. > > > > sure, but those are all conversations about possibilities > > they're not done until they're released. > > They have to be planned for in the years before release. It's > difficult to discuss future distributions without giving them > static codenames that don't shift under your feet. That's > standard practice in almost any project management. > > > of course this is > > my opinion but i think the Release team also feels something > > about the meaning of the word "Official" and the whole process > > including the key signing and verification steps... > > I'm not sure what you're saying here; that bookworm and trixie > aren't "official" names? >
It's also worth reviewing ancient history which is what made Debian switch to codenames at all (and a bunch of projects then followed our example eg Ubuntu and Red Hat (though Red Hat's names are barely visible). Someone at Infomagic wanted to steal a march on everyone else and publish Debian 1.0 on their quarterly release. I can't remember quite what they did package - but it wasn't release quality yet and didn't actually boot. The end result was that Debian jumped straight to 1.1 and a new thing - a codename (Buzz) because the then DPL (Bruce Perens) worked for Pixar. bookworm is less than a month old but will follow the release until it's oldoldstable - "testing" is a movable feast. All the very best, as ever, Andy Cater > Cheers, > David. >
