On 12/16/20 2:09 AM, Keith Bainbridge wrote:
I was not offered to set a root passwd during the last 2 Buster installs I did. Admittedly, with mateDE and MAYBE that makes a difference. Who's going to try it to prove the point? It'll be several days before I can. Will do if I don't see somebody beat me to it.
Keith BAINBRIDGE
I have done many installs recently, several machines, but am occupied this morning. I believe the installation goes exactly as described in the manual, but there are always some details that don't fit.

https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.installation-steps.html#id-1.7.12.10

best of luck next time

ke1thozgro...@gmx.com

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On 15 December 2020 7:01:32 pm UTC, Brian <a...@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:

    On Tue 15 Dec 2020 at 19:33:53 +0100, john doe wrote:

        On 12/15/2020 6:34 PM, Tixy wrote:

            On Tue, 2020-12-15 at 11:36 +0100, john doe wrote:

                On 12/15/2020 10:19 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

                    On Lu, 14 dec 20, 19:45:54, Jerry Mellon wrote:

                        I finally got around to installing debian 10
                        on my 64bit system(thus removing the
                        i386version I had originally instaled). The
                        install went well and I asked for a seperate
                        Home particion. When I booted the system and
                        try to do "apt-get update and apt-get upgrade"
                        using "sudo" it would not let me do that. Said
                        I was not a sudo user. I then tried "su root"
                        which failed as well as it said I was not a
                        sudo user. I went to the sudouse file and
                        changed it to make me a user. Sudo as myself
                        worked fine but su root still did not work.
                        After seeing the email concering problems with
                        sudo and su root I decided to reload. I did
                        but did a use whole disk (no home part). After
                        booting I did have to go to the sudouser file
                        an change it again but the su root worked with
out a problem.
                    You probably set a root password during install.
                    The Debian Installer will configure 'sudo' for the
                    first user only if you leave the root password
blank. This is explained during the install.
                That doesn't look to be the case anymore, I just
installed Buster with Mate and sudo is installed.
            Because sudo is a recommended package of task-desktop,
            which is a dependency of task-mate-desktop. But if you
            gave it a root password during install then it didn't add
            the user you created at install time into the 'sudo'
            group, so no user can use sudo. (This does make me wonder
            why 'sudo' is recommended by task-desktop in the first
place.)
        Or at the very least, if sudo is installed having it
        configured with the user added to the sudo group regardless of
if a root password is set.

    You are being obtuse.

    d-i does not install sudo unless it is requested. That's the only point
    at issue. It is the only thing that matters.

    Why Mate chooses to install sudo is a different issue. It does not
    invalidate

        The Debian Installer will configure 'sudo' for the first user
        only if you leave the root password blank. This is explained
during the install.

    What a particular package does has no bearing on the design of d-i's
    base system.

    -- Brian.

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