On Thu 10 Sep 2020 at 08:24:41 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 09/10/2020 02:28 AM, Marco Möller wrote:
> > On 10.09.20 08:13, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > On 09/09/2020 12:12 PM, Brian wrote:
> > > > On Wed 09 Sep 2020 at 19:56:05 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > > > > On Mi, 09 sep 20, 08:27:13, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. Download bandwidth or data cap constraints.
> > > > > > {aggravated by treating "recommends" as "depends"}
> > > > >
> > > > > If you are referring to package maintainers declaring Depends on other
> > > > > packages where it should be just a Recommends, do note it is often a
> > > > > side effect of users disabling automatic installation of Recommends
> > > > > and
> > > > > then complaining about missing functionality.
> > > >
> > > > I believe the OP is referring to debootstrap's inability to install only
> > > > Depends:.
> > >
> > > No. Apt and cousins allow not installing recommends. There was
> > > a recent thread where someone stated that option not available
> > > when installing the system. More when I wake up.
> > >
> > Maybe make a minimum install first, then change the global apt
> > configuration to always apply "--no-install-recommends" as the
> > predefined parameter if no other flag would be added by the user
> > to the apt command, and only afterwards enrich your installation
> > by installing the packages which you need.
>
> *ROFL* with MASSIVE *GRIN* ;/
>
> In my original post I had phrased that as:>> My proposed alternative
> is to leave unchecked all options on the
> > > "Software Selection" menu and create appropriate pseudo-packages
> > > to be installed with "apt-get --no-install-recommends"
I take it you agree, ten.
> > You could call "tasksel" again, if you want to use the software
> > bundle selection menu which you have seen during the initial
> > installation.
>
> I don't follow what you are trying to say there.
In words of several syllables, you could call "tasksel" again:
$ tasksel --list-tasks
u desktop Debian desktop environment
u gnome-desktop GNOME
u xfce-desktop Xfce
u kde-desktop KDE Plasma
u cinnamon-desktop Cinnamon
u mate-desktop MATE
u lxde-desktop LXDE
u lxqt-desktop LXQt
u web-server web server
i print-server print server
i ssh-server SSH server
u laptop laptop
$
… if you want to use the software bundle selection menu
(which you have seen during the initial installation):
┌───────────────────────────┤ [!] Software selection
├────────────────────────────┐
│
│
│ At the moment, only the core of the system is installed. To tune the system
│
│ to your needs, you can choose to install one or more of the following
│
│ predefined collections of software.
│
│
│
│ Choose software to install:
│
│
│
│ [ ] Debian desktop environment
│
│ [ ] ... GNOME
│
│ [ ] ... Xfce
│
│ [ ] ... KDE
│
│ [ ] ... Cinnamon
│
│ [ ] ... MATE
│
│ [ ] ... LXDE
│
│ [ ] web server
│
│ [*] print server
│
│ [*] SSH server
│
│ [*] standard system utilities
│
│
│
│ <Continue>
│
│
│
└─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘
So I might call tasksel to install a web server if I forgot to check
it when I ran the installer.
> > You should remind, that if in the tasksel menu deselecting all
> > specifically named Desktop Environments (Gnome, Xfce, KDE, ...)
> > but still selecting the top entry "Debian desktop environment"
> > then a full blown Gnome environment will be downloaded and
> > installed.
>
> I discovered that long ago. I consider that a bug, but the Debian team
> likely considers that a feature.
So what would your version of an installer do when presented with:
│ [*] Debian desktop environment │
│ [ ] ... GNOME │
│ [ ] ... Xfce │
│ [ ] ... KDE │
│ [ ] ... Cinnamon │
│ [ ] ... MATE │
│ [ ] ... LXDE │
> > You could also look out for package bundles with the name prefix
> > "task-". For instance "apt search task- | grep mate" will show you
> > that a bundle package "task-mate-desktop" exists. "apt show
> > task-mate-desktop" will show you the list of packages which this
> > bundle package will draw in. Among the listed packages there might
> > appear other bundles, therefore iterate with "apt show" through
> > the listed package names for getting ahead some idea of all
> > packages which would become installed.
>
> I think Greg has pointed me in the right direction when he suggested
> " aptitude search '~pStandard' " to deal with another aspect of my
> problem. Today's assignment is reading the user manual.
Cheers,
David.
