On Sun 29 Mar 2020 at 13:46:05 (+0100), G.W. Haywood wrote: > On Sat, 28 Mar 2020, Alan Tu wrote: > > > ... "Debian testing" system ... network-manager 1.22.8-1. ... > > # systemctl restart network-manager > > After one to four times of this, eventually network-manager > > establishes the network connection. > > It seems to me that network-manager is only really useful for people > with no more knowledge of their network configuration than the average > Windows user. If you have already configured your network connections > I guess that you know more about your networks than that (very likely > more than the authors of network-manager too). Therefore it can do > little but harm to allow network-manager to get itself involved.
I'm not sure why you feel it necessary to insult FOSS developers in this manner. Please desist. > My networks tend to be slightly more complex than most, but it is only > slightly. Even so, I have yet to find network-manager does anything > except cause trouble. I see much ire directed toward systemd but IMHO > network-manager deserves more. For probably the past decade it's been > the amongst the first things that I'll purge from a freshly installed > Debian system. > > Seting up a simple network really isn't at all difficult. You have to > pick sane IP addresses and network masks for your interfaces, script > them and a few routes, and perhaps load a module or two to get the > interfaces running if that doesn't happen by default in the gargantuan > Debian kernels. Wireless networks can be a bit more complex but every > operation is a simple one-liner, and, for twenty-five years, even in > the most complex networks that I've worked with, I don't think I've > ever needed more than a dozen lines in rc.local to set up networking > for any of a couple of hundred machines. It's _much_ easier to learn > how to set up your network than it is to find out what network-manager > has done to screw things up; and when you have that basic knowledge > under your belt it's a great deal easier to find out what's gone wrong > when it does (for example when you rashly type 'apt-get dist-upgrade' > which the past three or four times has, each time I've done it, broken > increasingly badly most systems that I've done it to - apparently many > and misguided attempts to solve problems I've never actually had). Have you submitted bug reports? That's how they improve Debian testing. Cheers, David.
