On Monday 27 May 2019 11:18:49 pm Joe Pfeiffer wrote: > Gene Heskett <ghesk...@shentel.net> writes: > > On Monday 27 May 2019 03:42:52 pm Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > >> Quoting Gene Heskett (2019-05-27 19:42:46) > >> > >> > On Monday 27 May 2019 03:46:00 am Curt wrote: > >> > > On 2019-05-27, <to...@tuxteam.de> <to...@tuxteam.de> wrote: > >> > > > If Network Manager is giving you grief, please go bark up > >> > > > /that/ tree (I can't say much about N-M, because I banned it > >> > > > from my boxes about ten years ago: I was at a customer's, in > >> > > > his LAN via an Ethernet, when N-M suddenly saw a WLAN out > >> > > > there, out the window and said "oh, let's go online over > >> > > > there" and obliterated my network setting in favor of some > >> > > > seedy captive portal. That was when I decided that N-M and > >> > > > me, we aren't made for each other). > >> > > > >> > > This is a grave bug. I suppose we can assume from your > >> > > description that the seedier the wifi portal, the more likely > >> > > it is to spontaneously occur, despite any and all user > >> > > configuration or intervention. > >> > > >> > This would appear to be more common, but as far as filing a bug > >> > report, I logged in to do something in 2015, creating a new > >> > account at the time, so now it refuses to let me in because the > >> > username content rules have been changed and my username is now > >> > invalid. And because it knows my email address, it won't let me > >> > create a new account. So its the classic chicken v egg. I am > >> > locked out, so I rant on this list. > >> > >> Account? You need no account to report bugs in Debian: > >> https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting > > > > So that indicates I should have apt install reportbug, so I did. > > Configured it on 1st run. then became me and ran it again. It never > > heard of NetworkManager or Network-Manager. WTH? > > Debian package names are all lower case, and for better or worse the > package management software is case-sensitive.
A detail I had forgotten due to all the capitalization used to refer to it publicly. > snowball:532$ reportbug > Please enter the name of the package in which you have found a > problem, or type 'other' to report a more general problem. If you > don't know what package the bug is in, please contact > debian-user@lists.debian.org for assistance. > > > network-manager > > *** Welcome to reportbug. Use ? for help at prompts. *** > Note: bug reports are publicly archived (including the email address > of the submitter). Detected character set: UTF-8 > Please change your locale if this is incorrect. > > Using 'Joe Pfeiffer <jos...@pfeifferfamily.net>' as your from address. > Getting status for network-manager... > Checking for newer versions at madison... > > Your version (1.14.6-2) of network-manager appears to be out of date. > The following newer release(s) are available in the Debian archive: > experimental: 1.18.0-1 > Please try to verify if the bug you are about to report is already > addressed by these releases. Do you still want to file a report > [y|N|q|?]? And this exposes something in debian's policy I object to, as strenuously as I can. A newer version may well fix the bug, but its never given to the users until they upgrade to the next release, and that brings a never shrinking list of new bugs. The withholding of showstopper bug fixes from a released version, by putting them in an experimental category where only a very small inner circle has access to them is not an impressive idea. IMO a showstopper bugfix should be offered immediately to all releases currently supported. The wheezy version of firefox may have been marginally better than a horse with 3 broken legs, (another leg was broken by each update as it was during wheezy) but we were denied the improved versions as a matter of "policy". IMO, that sucks dead toads thru soda straws. But I don't set policy. It is what it is, but thats how this diehard fan of debian see's it. TBT, I'd be happy paying say $100 year for a seat at the table where serious bugs were fixed while the release was still alive. Not however on a machine count basis as RH is doing. That would satisfy me as a good TANSTAAFL compromise, and would, I'd think buy a longer ladder up the side of the hog for the folks actually doing the work. I am sure they would appreciate that! > (at which point I entered a ^C since I didn't actually want to report > a bug) Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
