Dan Ritter wrote:
> Default User wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2019, 04:49 Ivan Ivanov <qmaster...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Well, I know a good solution that will work 100%: switch from Debian
>> > to Devuan to avoid this SystemD. sadly Debian does not provide the
>> > init system freedom, but if you'd switch to its' brother distribution
>> > (Devuan) it still provides all the benefits of Debian + the freedom
>> > from SystemD.
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the suggestion, Ivan.
>>
>> Actually, I had high hopes for Devuan. But I am afraid that it's just too
>> little, too late.
>>
>> The cancer of systemd has metastasized too far and the GNU/Linux patent
>> is terminally ill.
>>
>> How sad that once again, the bad guys won because good men did nothing.
>
> In point of fact:
>
> - I run several hundred Debian stretch systems without systemd
> running as init, or doing very much otherwise.
>
> "apt install sysvinit-core" was all that is needed.
>
> - Those are almost all servers, but also includes some desktops.
>
> - The debian-init-diversity mail archives are here:
>
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/pipermail/debian-init-diversity/2019-March/thread.html
> and you can see that good work is being done on sysvinit,
> startpar, insserv and elogind.
>
> I don't know why this doesn't get more publicity.
>
> If you are having problems with systemd and they feel intractable,
> it's perfectly reasonable to go back to sysvinit, and it's only a little
> work to move to openrc and a moderate amount to use completely different
> init systems.
>
> -dsr-
Who seeks, he finds and I have actually installed:
ii sysv-rc 2.88dsf-59.9
all System-V-like runlevel change mechanism
ii sysvinit-core 2.88dsf-59.9
amd64 System-V-like init utilities
ii sysvinit-utils 2.88dsf-59.9
amd64 System-V-like utilities
and it works great. My problem with systemd is not that it is bad, but that
it was pushed too early to the public like KDE4 - many things not working
or not working properly and this upsets one like me that is used to
stability. I do not have the time or the will to deal with problems
suddenly popping up out of nowhere.
Looking at the background of systemd it makes sense especially for
desktop/notebook system or interdependant services. In fact my Sailfish
phone works great with systemd.
So the debian-init-diversity decision was the best and my respect goes to
the people behind it. It is great to have freedom of choice!
However I do not find my way through the link. I prefer
https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/systemd
and the parent
https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem
