On Tue 29 May 2018 at 15:52:12 -0400, John Cunningham wrote: > On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 3:39 PM Brian <a...@cityscape.co.uk> wrote: > > > On Tue 29 May 2018 at 21:57:31 +0300, Abdullah Ramazanoğlu wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 29 May 2018 13:18:16 -0500 David Wright said: > > > > On Tue 29 May 2018 at 18:38:40 (+0300), Abdullah Ramazanoğlu wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 29 May 2018 09:14:12 -0400 Greg Wooledge said: > > > > > > On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 09:31:14PM +0300, Abdullah Ramazanoğlu > > wrote: > > > > > > > --✁-------- > > > > > > > I never use apt, so I am relying on the man page. > > > > --✃-------- > > > > > > > > (That got snipped.) > > > > > > > > > > That's incorrect. One of the differences between apt and apt-get > > is > > > > > > that apt WILL install new packages when doing "apt upgrade" (but it > > > > > > will not remove existing packages). > > > > > > > > > > > > Another difference is that apt will remove all of the .deb files > > from > > > > > > /var/cache/apt/archives that were downloaded for the CURRENT apt > > command > > > > > > session (but will not remove any that were already there). (This > > > > > > behavior can be changed in a config file.) > > > > > > > > > > Hmm yes, apt upgrade do install new packages. I didn't look at the > > man page > > > > > for apt and assumed that -at least- the same keywords would work the > > same > > > > > in both apt and apt-get. I was wrong. > > > > > > > > Mmm. > > > > > > I think I owe an explanation regarding whether I referred to the man > > page or > > > not. :) > > > > > > For different operations and keywords like full-upgrade vs. dist-upgrade > > I did > > > refer to the man page, but it didn't occur to me that the exact same > > keyword > > > (upgrade) would behave different in apt, so I didn't cross check > > behavior of > > > "upgrade" in respective man pages. I simply assumed apt upgrade would > > behave > > > ditto apt-get upgrade. > > > > > > This is how I both do and don't look up at the man pages at the same > > time. > > > > If a package is upgraded, surely a user would want any new packages > > to be installed if they are required to satisfy dependencies. apt's > > designed behaviour looks more sensible than apt-get's. > > Not necessarily. Sometimes the dependencies get out of hand, like when a > big project adopts a small utility and then decides that the entire project > is a dependency for the tiny utility. It doesn't happen often, but it has > happened to me. I like that apt-get upgrade updates everything else. If I > decide I can stomach the other packages, I can always do a apt-get > dist-upgrade and install them.
Your unfortunate (and undetailed) experience has to be balanced against the benefits which accrue to most users in having an up-to-date Debian. -- Brian.
