On Sun 13 Dec 2015 at 14:19:16 -0500, Dan Ritter wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 06:57:31PM +0000, Steve Kleene wrote:
> > References: <loom.20151213t181726-...@post.gmane.org>,
> > <201512131729.22307.lisi.re...@gmail.com>
> >
> > > On Sunday 13 December 2015 17:18:32 Steve Kleene wrote:
> > > > My address (sk...@syrano.acb.uc.edu) has been unsubscribed from the
> > > > debian-user mailing list. I understand why. I took the address down
> > > > for a
> > > > few days for reasons that are now irrelevant (but can be related if
> > > > anyone
> > > > cares). Because mails from lists.debian.org were bouncing, they
> > > > unsubscribed me. A note from listmas...@lists.debian.org on Dec 8
> > > > notified
> > > > me of this and said, "You are welcome to contact us". I wrote to that
> > > > address twice (Dec 8 and 9). The mails were not returned to me; I have
> > > > received no response; and I'm still unsubscribed.
> > > >
> > > > Do any of you know of another administrator or ombudsman who might
> > > > actually
> > > > respond? Thanks.
> >
> > On Sun Dec 13 12:29:31 2015, Lisi Reisz <lisi.re...@gmail.com> replied:
> >
> > > Why not just resubscribe - much simpler.
> >
> > Thanks, but that's a whole can of worms I had hoped (in vain) not to reopen.
> > Last month I did a thread ("problem e-mailing debian groups") on that and
> > was
> > unable to find a solution. My e-mails to debian-user@lists.debian.org and
> > debian-ad...@lists.debian.org DO bounce, apparently because my employer
> > mishandles sender callback verification. (Having said that, I don't
> > understand why no one but lists.debian.org bounces my e-mails.) My employer
> > only wants to support Microsoft Outlook or Exchange and wishes I didn't run
> > a
> > mail server at all. So I'm on my own.
> >
> > Since listmas...@lists.debian.org does not bounce my mails, I expected to
> > work with someone there. I was hoping someone here might have an idea what
> > it takes to get their attention, or how to contact someone else who might be
> > helpful.
>
> You have two major choices, neither one of which is what you
> want to hear.
>
> 1. You can subscribe via some other address. GMail, Fastmail,
> whatever. Let other people handle your mail for you, for money
> or not.
What difference would that make?
> 2. You can run a mail server... somewhere else. Your employer
> doesn't want you running a mail server, and you should probably
> honor that desire by not running a mail server on their network.
> Rent a virtual machine, a physical server or colocate one of
> your own boxes someplace where the network and power is
> reliable.
How would an employer know you are running a mail server? And, if they
could determine it, why would they want to restrict your freedom to
communicate? (Please try to not mention the word "spam" in a response". :)
