On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 01:45:55PM +0100, Steve Greig wrote: > Thats right I am a newbie despite having used Linux for about 10 years. I > seem to have found the apt-get system very tricky to get my head round. > > It does seem weird to me that transferring files between two computers is > not be a basic function that does not require additional software to be > downloaded.
The problem that android have encountered is how to expose a file system in an independent manner. Prior to android version 4.0, external storage was FAT32 formatted and the connection was USB Mass Storage. This worked well, as it was a lowest-common-denominator system. However, as Android started to develop more security protocols, it was seen that a more capable file system was needed. FAT is a very simple filesystem and, while it's far enough for removable media, it's not really suited as part of an operating system. So, what was the alternative? FAT is, really, the only file system that is fully, natively supported by all three major desktop operating systems (Linux, MacOS and Windows). Anything else locks out part of the market. Add to that the problem that, if you're switching to a fuller-featured filesystem for security purposes, exposing that whole file system to another operating system causes no end of problems. So, in the end, android picked Microsoft's MTP protocol as a successor. Think of this as being like an FTP server built into the device. It doesn't matter what filesystem the device ACTUALLY uses, any operating system taking to the device must speak a well-defined protocol that exposes only certain aspects of the file system. There is no concept of ownership or permissions in MTP, you can't run defragmenters or filesystem checkers on MTP. All you can really do is list files, fetch them and put them. > > If you are too busy no worries as AirDroid is solving the problem. On > their wesite they say: 'BY VISITING THE WEBSITES OR USING THE SERVICES IN > ANY MANNER, YOU AGREE THAT YOU HAVE READ AND AGREE TO BE BOUND BY AND A > PARTY TO THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THIS AGREEMENT TO THE EXCLUSION OF > ALL OTHER TERMS'. Taken literally that is so absurd as to make me not want > to depend on their software...... why should I read their terms before > even visiting their website? Also, HOW do you read their terms and conditions without visiting their website? Are you supposed to write to them and ask for permission to use the website? > > Not trying to rant but trying to explain why I want to stick with Free > Software despite technical challenges. > > Steve > > On 19 Jun 2015 12:27, "Lisi Reisz" <[1]lisi.re...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Friday 19 June 2015 12:14:36 Steve Greig wrote: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Steve Greig <[2]greigst...@gmail.com> > > Date: Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 9:18 AM > > Subject: Re: Transferring files from Debian computer to android phone > > To: Stefan Pietsch <[3]stefan.piet...@lsexperts.de> > > > > > > Unfortunately I do not know how to install things. The approach I took > was > > to add [4]https://packages.debian.org/jessie/jmtpfs to my sources.list > and > > then type apt-get install jmtpfs into the konsole. I have pasted the > > response to that below and after that the contents of my sources.list > (i > > tried with and without 'deb' in front of the line about jmtpfs in the > > sources.list but with the same error result). > > > > root@debian:/etc/apt# apt-get install jmtpfs > > Reading package lists... Error! > > E: Type '[5]https://packages.debian.org/jessie/jmtpfs' is not known on > line 17 > > in source list /etc/apt/sources.list > > E: The list of sources could not be read. > > E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. > > root@debian:/etc/apt# > > > > > > # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.1.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 kde-CD > > Binary-[6]1 20130615-23:04]/ wheezy main > > > > #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.1.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 kde-CD > > Binary-1 20130615-23:04]/ wheezy main > > > > deb [7]http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main > > deb-src [8]http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main > > > > deb [9]http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main > > deb-src [10]http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main > > > > # wheezy-updates, previously known as 'volatile' > > deb [11]http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main > > deb-src [12]http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main > > > > #deb [13]http://repository.spotify.com stable non-free > > > > deb [14]https://packages.debian.org/jessie/jmtpfs > > ~ > > > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 6:50 AM, Stefan Pietsch > > <[15]stefan.piet...@lsexperts.de > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > On 18.06.2015 15:47, Steve Greig wrote: > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > It would be great to have any ideas which could help me transfer > files > > > > to the phone (I am particularly keen to move music files at the > > > > moment). I would be happy to use the command line but when I > googled > > > > that it looked very complicated. > > > > > > Have a look at jmtpfs. > > > > > > [16]https://packages.debian.org/jessie/jmtpfs > > As things stand, you can't install jmtpfs. You would need backports. > There > are various things you would need to do! > > I am very busy over the next two days, and you need more than a quick > answer. > > I'll get back onto you over this and spotify in a few days time if you > have > not already been satisfactorily helped and sorted out by then. > > You are clearly more of a newbie than some people are allowing for. > And > jmtpfs may not be the only answer. > > Lisi > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [17]debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [18]listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: > [19]https://lists.debian.org/201506191227.10543.lisi.re...@gmail.com > > References > > Visible links > 1. mailto:lisi.re...@gmail.com > 2. mailto:greigst...@gmail.com > 3. mailto:stefan.piet...@lsexperts.de > 4. https://packages.debian.org/jessie/jmtpfs > 5. https://packages.debian.org/jessie/jmtpfs > 6. file:///dev/tel:1%2020130615-23 > 7. http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ > 8. http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ > 9. http://security.debian.org/ > 10. http://security.debian.org/ > 11. http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ > 12. http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ > 13. http://repository.spotify.com/ > 14. https://packages.debian.org/jessie/jmtpfs > 15. mailto:stefan.piet...@lsexperts.de > 16. https://packages.debian.org/jessie/jmtpfs > 17. mailto:debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > 18. mailto:listmas...@lists.debian.org > 19. https://lists.debian.org/201506191227.10543.lisi.re...@gmail.com -- For more information, please reread.
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