On Sb, 22 nov 14, 22:49:48, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> 
> At the moment I have removed systemd from my jessie system.  It is, 
> despite the absence of systemd, a Debian Jessie system.
 
Sure.

> In fact, refracta,  one of the so-called forks that avoids systemd, 
> actuallu uses Debian's own Jessie package repositories.  It isn't a fork, 
> but more a different way of using Jessie from that installed by default 
> by the current Jessie installer.

I'll have to disagree here. If refracta would use *only* unmodified 
Debian packages then it would be called a Debian Pure Blend[1].

[1] https://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends

Asking questions about any derivative or systems using it would not work 
out so well for simple practical reasons: for a Debian users there is no 
way to tell whether the problem applies to Debian or is specific to that 
specific derivative. The fact that a derivative may or may not use 
systemd is completely irrelevant to this fact.

> It is still Jessie, and as far as I can tell,

...

> a Jessie syste taht uses systemv init is still a Jessie  system.

This is true, and users of a Debian Jessie system will receive support 
here, whether it runs sysvinit or not.
 
> But it is absurd to say that discussing these real problems faced by 
> Debian users, and their potential remedies, is off topic in the debian-
> user mailing list.
 
How about "a waste of resources"? Imagine a thread like this:

A: I have $problem, please help
B: Sure, do $this or $that
A: $this fails and I can't install package $foo to do $that
B: That's strange, both work fine here, but maybe try $other
A: $other fails as well
[several more mails]
B: (desperate): This can't happen on a Debian system!
A: But, I'm running $derivative, not Debian
B: ...

> There are lots of topics on this list that aren't relevant to me.  But if 
> they are relevant to other users I' not going to declare them off topic.

Sure, let's just merge all mailing lists[2] into one, why have separate 
mailing lists for all these different topics? All you have to do is 
delete the stuff that doesn't interest you :)

[2] https://lists.debian.org/completeindex.html

Kind regards,
Andrei
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