On 11/18/2014 04:47 AM, Marty wrote: > The systemd issue in Debian (not systemd itself) is like exploring a > cave system which seems to go on forever. It has so many facets and > subplots that it seems impossible to evaluate objectively. It's the > perfect storm for Debian. It's hard to imagine a more polarizing issue. > > It's conceivable that the Unix paradigm is too limiting for "the > universal OS," and this is the chance to break through it, without > breaking out. Maybe resisting the Borg really is futile in this case > but we can send all the clones to deprogramming classes. We have all > been programmed by the Borgs of Redmond and Cupertino, to varying > degrees. > > I started posting here when, after years of promoting Linux to friends > and employers and finally seeing much progress, my company started > phasing out Debian (systemd was not the only issue but more of a last > straw). If I take that as a bellwether if Debian's success or failure, > however, I put it on a par with commercial distros, and that is not > what Debian is all about. To keep volunteer interest it should be > nimble and take risks. > > In the end, I think systemd is a MacGuffin, a distraction from deeper > issues that are really driving the debate. It's also a time and energy > sink, and a stressor for me and (assume) others. It represents debates > that has been suppressed for years at both individual and social levels > in the name of peace, harmony and conformity. Linux was never about > conformity. It is the ultimate disruptive technology. > > I agree with systemd proponents who say there was no need for > administrative action, the GR "no-op." I also agree with opponents who > say we need clear direction from leadership, something they cannot give > when they themselves are paralyzed with disagreement. The systemd issue > is a tale told by an idiot, a mirror to the collective mind of the FOSS > community, both crazy and sane, funny and serious, all at the same time. > > If the proponent side wins the GR vote I'll probably report some > sysvinit bugs out of self-interest. If the opponent side wins I'll > probably report systemd bugs, for Debian's sake. I've never been able > to decide which side is which in the "Linux Civil War" but if the > analogy holds, I'm on the Union side. I'll take the debate with equal > doses of stress and humor, and try to remember the stakes after FOSS > has arrived on the world stage and become a player , hello
My opinion is as follow: Debian is not a distribution only, it is a community; we have: Dd-users, administrator-users, operational-users and possibly, more and different categories; who are using Debian by political reasons, technological reasons, philosophical reasons, and so on. Systemd is a monolitic OS, and it could be the best monolitic OS; but it can not be adapted to a very diverse community, Its design is not to be used with interaction with other parts. We can see, that trying to make easier the transition from Wheezy to Jessie; is creating problems in Wheezy; DDs are trying to mix 2 different kinds of OS; and, the resistance to create a clean installation of a NO-systemd OS, possibly is because it is not possible to do it. Systend, should be adapted to a distribution, were users are there only because of the quality of the distribution. Which is not Debian! The reason why we can not be in harmony, is because it can not be possible; Systemd is not for a community! And we are trying to find the balance! thanks. . -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/546b7b33.9020...@agronomos.ca
