On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Patrick Bartek <nemomm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Nov 2014, Michael Biebl wrote: > > > Am 10.11.2014 um 17:26 schrieb Patrick Bartek: > > > On Mon, 10 Nov 2014, Michael Biebl wrote: > > > > >> You can use pre-seeding and run > > >> > > >> preseed/late_command="in-target apt-get install -y sysvinit-core" > > >> > > >> in the debian-installer. While that does indeed first install > > >> systemd-sysv, it's directly replaced again during system > > >> installation and doesn't require you to boot with systemd as PID 1. > > >> So it might be pretty close to what you're looking for. > Should I install LILO first and then replace it with GRUB? Should I install Gnome first and then replace it with XFCE? Hardly. Of all the options available in the NON-expert installer, the choice of init alternatives might not warrant a user selection option, but all of the _consequences_ of that selection, i.e., things that get sucked in, mandate that users be offered a choice. Silent selection of a user-hostile init system is probably sub-optimal. After all, what gas Debian got to hide? In theory, nothing. But Yogi Berra had some insightful comments about the difference between theory and practice. > > Thanks. But wouldn't it be nice if as an option, you could just > > > pick which init you wanted in the installer. It would make things > > > so much easier. Too late to implement this, I suppose. Maybe, in > > > the next release? > > > > Most users simply don't care and don't want to be bothered with this. > > I agree, but enough do -- mainly server guys -- that it is a problem. > > > It's not like we prompt the user whether he wants to use grub or > > isolinux. If we added an explicit switch, this would have to be in > > expert-install-mode only imo. I can't speak for the d-i people, but > > Maybe, we should for diversity of choice. There is an option of where > to install grub after all even though most put it on the MBR. But I > agree the init options should be in expert-install. Will make everyone > happy. Freedom of choice is the greatest freedom. > Freedom to make such a consequential choice should not be limited to experts. Lee Winter Nashua, New Hampshire United States of America
