Miles Fidelman <mfidel...@meetinghouse.net> writes: > Joey Hess wrote: (snip) >> A reasonably proactive admin would probably want to try out systemd (on >> eg, a test server) and if it causes problems for their deployment, they >> then have at least the year or two from when Debian jessie is released >> until the *next* release to file bug reports and follow up on them.
Of course, it's not just a case of does it cause problems -- that's the easy one -- it's also, if there are problems in the future (maybe not with systemd as the root cause, maybe with some failure elsewhere that affects its behavior), is it all simple and transparent enough that I will be able to figure out what's going on and adjust things accordingly and quickly repair my system? systemd is different enough that I am going to have to find the time to sit down and do a good bunch of reading first about the nuts and bolts of what it does, how it does it, and how one works with it. But, yes, absolutely, this is what test servers are for, and these days there are very easy to spin up. The only real cost is time. Upgrades tend to swallow time for various things, we are used to that. For instance, for past upgrades, we had to do things like rewrite our ipchains rules for ipfwadm, then rewrite them again for iptables, but that's been stable for a while now: at least with jessie not mandating systemd, we do have plenty of time to try things out. After all, for instance, with the forced move to udev, devfs support rotted and then vanished from the kernel, I can't really blame some Debian conspiracy for that! (-: >> Too early to say what will happen in Debian 9, but >> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=746715#278 >> is not going to be overturned without a GR either. Thank you very much for this link -- > Ok... for others who are concerned, this is the punch-line from that bug > report: and for the quote from it. (snip) > For the record, the TC expects maintainers to continue to support > the multiple available init systems in Debian. That includes > merging reasonable contributions, and not reverting existing > support without a compelling reason. (snip) That is certainly encouraging for those of us fearing atrophy of non-systemd support. As things are, I'm happy to wait and see, no need anytime soon to flee to CRUX or suchlike. I can appreciate that it is difficult, extra work to offer a distribution that does a good job of supporting everybody from server admins to naive desktop users, and I am grateful for Debian's intentions to keep giving us plenty of choice. -- Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87r3ybkqbs....@ixod.org
