On Fri 10 Oct 2014 at 15:31:35 -0700, Bob Holtzman wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:16:23PM -0400, James Ensor wrote:
> > Please reply to the list and not directly to me.
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:39 AM, PETER ZOELLER
> > <peter_zoel...@rogers.com> wrote:
> > > Hi:
> > >
> > > I'm sorry but I shouldn't have to remove systemd but be given a choice as 
> > > to
> > > which one I want at the time of the install just as I choose my file 
> > > system,
> > > my software, my networking, where I want my boot loader installed, etc.  
> > > To
> > > assume on your part what I need or want and then expect me to counter your
> > > choice by requiring me to uninstall is rather presumptuous on your part 
> > > just
> > > the same approach that I would expect from Microsoft not Linux.
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> > 
> > I made no assumptions, as I had absolutely nothing to do with the
> > decision of making systemd the default init system.  I merely point
> > out that it is possible (and quite easy) for a debian-user to remove
> > systemd.
> 
> What about systemd's entanglement? From what I read here, once it's 
> installed there are certain programs that depend on it. Not true?

You are approaching this the wrong way.

James Ensor claims it is possible and easy for a user to remove systemd.
Your task is to show that is not; preferably by giving a concrete
technical example.

Your mission is not to repeat some of the nonsense you may have read on
debian-user, query the veracity of those statements and then ask someone
to comment on your beliefs.

Constructive contributions *to the topic* are always welcome.


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