On 9/22/14, Joel Rees <joel.r...@gmail.com> wrote: > > So, with that example in place, I'm hoping that everyone who bothers > to read this will at least agree that, one, users should be regularly > spending a little time to learn a little more about the systems they > use. Users should be willing to discuss what they understand, even at > the risk of being wrong sometimes, even when the subject involves > something as inflammatory as systemd is turning out to be. > > To you who say, "Leave it to the devs!" -- well, sure, Don't try to > break into the source code and rip systemd out of the repositories. If > you support what they are doing, file bug reports instead of beefing > here. Even if you don't start with the bug reports. > > If we had an ombudsman or something, we could take serious problems > that don't get resolved there, but setting up an ombudsman function is > really hard to get right, and if you don't get it right just generally > makes things much worse after a short time of seeming to be just what > the doctor ordered. > > Setting up an echo chamber where no one is listening only serves to > prevent necessary conversations from taking place. > > At the present time, this is the only real forum we have for > discussing issues that are serious, that we think are not being dealt > with properly by the developers. > > Remember that developers are human, too, and sometimes suffer bouts of > excessive hubris, and maybe even have down days when any little > disagreement at all feels like a personal attack. Even in the best of > worlds. > > I'm far from convinced that preventing such conversations from > occurring here would ever be correct, even if we had other paths for > problem resolution. The possibility that the criticisms might go too > far is a price we have to pay to keep the channel open.
I snipped a bit and left what pertained to what I was feeling this sec.. Another draft sitting unsent was very close to some of the sentiment here but I couldn't pull the word out of the air last night: ombudsman.. That's the concept I was trying to put into words myself.. An ombudsman.. An intermediary who can (maybe even quietly) peruse the lists gathering the deeper concerns and some high fives and success stories, too, and take those to developers in a succinct, abbreviated, anonymized format. My mind wanders after that point but ombudsman, yes, that's exactly the word, concept I was thinking, too.. :) Cindy -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * I comment, therefore I am (procrastinating elsewhere) * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cao1p-ka3hg0aewyp41llyyxjqn0ye8ujs6x3zr5pcwy7l2a...@mail.gmail.com
