On 09/20/2014 04:55 PM, lee wrote: > Linux-Fan <ma_sys...@web.de> writes: >> On 09/14/2014 04:33 PM, lee wrote: >>> Linux-Fan <ma_sys...@web.de> writes: >>>> or even buy some additional drives (I know that it is often said that >>>> "today drives are cheap" but for me being comparatively new to >>>> computing, 60€ are still much for a HDD) >>> >>> Where do you get good 2TB+ drives for only EUR 60? >> >> In fact, I don't. That was a thoughtless aestimate and I wanted to avoid >> posting a price which is more than one can currently get disks for as >> this could have resulted in someone posting "you are lying, you do not >> even need to pay 80€, here is one for 74€" or such. > > ah, ok :) Now you got ppl saying that you can't buy a good 2TB for only > EUR 60 instead :))
Reminds me of https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/07/msg00674.html :) >> I do not know, if you consider them "good", but here is one for 71€ >> >> http://www.reichelt.de/Interne-Festplatten-8-89cm-3-5-SATA/ST2000DM001/3/index.html?&ACTION=3&LA=2&ARTICLE=121092&GROUPID=6136&artnr=ST2000DM001 > > Dunno, I don't buy disks anymore that aren't rated for 24/7 operation > and don't support TLER. If you're simply looking for much capacity and > low price, it might be a good choice. > > Other than that, in my experience Seagate disks my have an unusually > high failure rate. Mine all work here. SMART reports that the oldest disk (a 160 GB model) has been running for 10920 hours now. With 8765 "power-cycles", i.e. a lot of unhealthy reboots. Still, it shows "Reallocated Sector Count" 0. [...] >> Although that is a better long-term solution (which I will likely follow >> the next time any storage is to be added), I think I will stay with what >> I have now and see how it performs. > > USB disks? Come one, you can't be bothered with shutting down a server > but you want to waste your time with USB disks and their unreliability? > How does that make sense? > > And you're going to go that way anyway sooner or later, so why waste > your money now rather than going that way to begin with and enjoying all > the benefits now? The "unreliability" has just happened again and using the edited initscript it was really simple to solve. It said "... errors ... Press Ctrl-D or give root password ..." and I entered the password, typed reboot and it recognized the disks again. Cost: 45 sec per week or so. >>> Only "problem" is that you're going to like the SAS disks and find out >>> how terribly slow your USB disks are ;) >> >> The same "problem" has already occurred when I used a "business"-class >> computer for the first time -- I will never buy a "consumer"-class model >> again... :) > > What's "a business class computer"? Any tower a company only offers when you go to the "Business" section on their respective website. (It is not really exactly defined -- another definition could be: "Any machine which does not have any shiny plastic parts" :) ) > I've come to tend to buy used server class hardware whenever it's > suitable, based on the experience that the quality is much better than > otherwise, on the assumption that it'll be more reliable and because > there isn't any better for the money. So far, performance is also > stunning. This stuff is really a bargain. Sounds good. I also considered buying a server as my main system (instead of what HP calls a "Workstation") because it seemed to offer more HDD slots and the same computing power for a lower price but I was never sure how good real server hardware's compatibility with "normal" graphics cards is. > I like stuff that just works, and I wouldn't even dream of messing with > USB disks for storage but buy an HP Microserver instead. What you're > trying with these USB disks is a waste: Even when it's not the money, as > in "amount of <currency unit>", it's also the amount of trouble you're > getting into and the problems you encounter, which all costs time and > nerves and creates downtime --- not to mention losing your data > eventually. Still, I am going to use the disks for now -- I can afford a bit of extra-maintenace time because I am always interested in getting the maximum out of the harware /available/ (otherwise I should have gone with hardware RAID from the very beginning and I might be using RHEL, because they offer support and my system is certified to run a specific RHEL version, etc.). On the other hand, I have learned my lesson and will not rely on USB disks for "permantently attached storage" again /in the future/. Linux-Fan -- http://masysma.lima-city.de/
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