-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 09/08/2014 at 05:46 PM, lee wrote:
> Rob Owens <row...@ptd.net> writes: > >> I'm smart enough to understand that a desktop environment (or a >> cd burner) depending on a particular init system doesn't make >> sense. But I have not yet figured out which package to file a bug >> with. I suspect the package maintainers are smart enough to >> realize this as well, but maybe they have not noticed this >> unreasonable dependency is a result of their choices. >> >> So what should be our plan to get this addressed? > > It would seem kinda logical to file the bug against the cd-burning > software because it depends on an init system. > > However, this is probably a more general issue in that a yet > unknown amount of packages suddenly somehow depends on a particular > init system. So it would seem better to file a general meta-bug, > like John suggests. I would argue that the bug lies in the fact that this functionality (which software not part of an init system wants to depend on) is being provided by an init system. IOW, it's a bug in systemd itself - more specifically, a design bug. As such, it should be fixed there, by moving this functionality outside of systemd (and making systemd depend on the external provider of the functionality). Unfortunately, the systemd designers and developers almost certainly disagree that this is a bug. They've been moving in the direction of more integration, not less, and AIUI have explicitly stated that patches removing the dependencies among the major systemd components will be rejected; they would almost certainly reject the idea of moving this functionality outside of systemd. That's not incompatible with the "single writer, single hierarchy" cgroups model that has apparently been mandated by the kernel upstream, as far as I can see; you still have one single writer managing a single hierarchy of cgroups, it's just that that writer is not part of PID 1, and does not rely on any particular PID 1 being active. However, I suspect that it would still be rejected, on fragility grounds if nothing else. I can still hope that I'm wrong about that, but I don't think it's very likely. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUDneQAAoJEASpNY00KDJriVQQAKxShK0uyR1uPpvV6hRZsXoI PJEtTkMIkE+whKaESiYdYOW9tZcFM1qtMF3isIkBIKQTIkIVrFSKAhprM9tkKmd/ qaxFQ/4tZDpBf9WI+GUjKUdnwdXORxzZx1CvwRm28ETH1OKsMK6dBc8vcrzdYxV/ jkVDvN3yMVs3Yd7acBVK1ftgU9mdMUqMeeByhyHx6G1eUA3OV2MhNut7UPXUfRQv Nf9yFPfR4Y3+0j0kfWc7u/mpZAGIy+RHeBXR0JUVouD2MC0qhNsoM8yIumP9v3Pq RdQLEHYFu35CVT2a/KhPa+n70qMAR1QVfTy84gHk6RLoGfeWl4BCnnUMLEt/S7Qz EtNyUzAKpTNSFd2Bi7PeVYHDEPSTXBdvDgPoAgonsyLQmNdVMbYnG3TPrSNJqOdS cYjHIvKK9rlLINKxFwo9iypXeq/PUuLmJOHlKTXqpDWtV4arAxdr4kQm9yZlE1iV lX+yLOZIE0Uix61ZJPDCY3A2u7/WAy8i1V0spEF9F5ycENxjzgxyY3d4vITIK7WM dwjMuQ6UkfOFPNEU85b1KInuYkUw45ScnM573dslXePXQ6JkdNqUXHwnop27twoh a3fCoS/YMRFayOa8110S6fv3t9OdhaS1HHD9Ie3sKaGpWdMgXG19Yt7723HaLGK4 f3cU6OAi6yTZhR2eJTBw =nOh8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/540e7790.8040...@fastmail.fm
