On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Colin Watson wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 05:41:33AM -0500, Haines Brown wrote:
> > Rob Weir wrote:
> > > 3) get the non-free binary-only nvidia drivers.  The "nvidia-glx-src"
> > >    and "nvidia-kernel-src" packages make this rather easy.  This is only
> > >    an option on x86, however.
> >
> > Rob, I follow you on points 1 and 2, but not 3. The nVidia has
> > completely changed its driver policy, and now everything (driver,
> > installation utility) comes in one self-expanding .run file. And this
> > driver supports a range of their cards, including all the GeForces. So
> > it's very simple now. What you do is to use a (downloaded or
> > automatically compiled) interface to mediate the relation of your
> > driver and kernel.
> >
> > Further, it is apparently free. Or at least I downloaded and installed
> > the driver on woody and have not paid yet ;-). The driver's name is
> > "nvidia."
>
> That's not what Rob means by "non-free". Debian people believe that the
> freedom to take the source code to a piece of software, improve it, and
> pass on the results is very important. See
> http://www.debian.org/intro/free for more details.
>
> When people say "non-free" on this list, they almost always mean that it
> doesn't meet the Debian standards for free software, so perhaps it
> doesn't come with source code, or you aren't allowed to modify it, or
> you're only allowed to put it to non-commercial use, or something
> similar.
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
> Colin Watson                                  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Haines, Rob and Colin,
It took me a while to 'get' RMS's point about 'free' vs ESR's 'open
source' and the difference between 'free as in beer' vs 'free as in
freedom'. And for a while I thought better of ESR's open source vs RMS's
Free software. This is because I got into 'linux' and liked the 'free as
in beer' nature as I think most folks seem to in the beginning. But it
took a while to fully appreciate the 'free as in freedom' aspect and the
difference between 'linux' and 'Gnu/Linux'. Unfortunatly, the 'free as in
freedom' aspect is not as easy to get across to people as the 'free as in
beer' or the 'open source' idea especially in a society that seem to allow
many freedoms.
-Kev


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