On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Reco <recovery...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Jun 09, 2014 at 09:01:24AM -0400, Tom H wrote: >>> Allow me to remind you this story: >>> >>> http://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/3/484 >>> >>> The whole mess started once udev (systemd) upstream took the liberty to >>> rewrite udev's firmware loader, and blamed kernel for the resulting >>> breakage. And what was the reason of rewriting said firmware loader? >>> Some part of systemd design. >> >> AIUI it was a good change for udev because boot was previously being >> delayed while waiting for userspace to load firwmware. > > Or, it was the change for the sake of change. YMMV. > >> Given the hate generally directed at the two main systemd >> developers, submitting a kernel patch like the one that was finally >> written and merged would've been, at the very least, good PR. But some >> people, like Lennart, Kay, and Mark Shuttleworth, seem to be incapable >> of pre-smoothing ruffled feathers. > > Wait, wait, wait. It was 2012, back then systemd was not the one and > only pid=1 everyone and their dog used. 'Hate' directed at Lennart - the > guy brought it upon himself with PulseAudio. But 'Hate' directed at Kay > - the relatively unknown udev maintainer? That seems unlikely. > >> So it was more of a storm in a teacup than anything else. It just gave >> and gives people who dislike systemd more ammunition for sniping. > > No, it was a real problem, giving that said breakage added minutes to > the boot time of poor Fedora users. Still, the problem resolved to > everyone's satisfaction - kernel started loading firmware without > userspace helpers, udev deprectated firmware loading - everyone's happy. > > But that's not the point. The point of this story is - udev and systemd > share one upstream, every change made in udev is made because systemd > upstream wants udev to behave systemd special way. > > To make myself clear I'd like to add that I have nothing against > systemd.
I'd forgotten that when it comes to systemd, you argue for the sake of argument rather than have an open mind. I shouldn't have wasted any time in posting... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=Sz9eK5hzCLXxjpgb2tSyWePdMvmih326U4=u7eiyd_...@mail.gmail.com
