On Monday, February 17, 2014 12:00:23 PM y...@marupa.net wrote: > On Monday, February 17, 2014 06:02:47 PM Erwan David wrote: > > Le 17/02/2014 17:27, y...@marupa.net a écrit : > > > On Monday, February 17, 2014 04:13:11 PM Nick Boyce wrote: > > >> Sorry - this isn't strictly a Debian KDE question, but I figure > > >> somebody > > >> here will know something about this. > > >> > > >> In the latest KDE Commit-Digest (Issue 322, dated 12th.Jan.2014) [1] > > >> the > > >> > > >> following very terse and (to me) bizarre statement is made : > > >> "KDM has been removed ... KDM goes the way of the Dodo. > > >> > > >> It's exactly, to the day, 6 years ago that we released "KDE 4.0", > > >> while this is of course entirely unrelated to this commit, let's > > >> celebrate this anniversary with the deletion of kdm from > > >> kde-workspace." > > >> > > >> There is no explanation for this, no clarification about a replacement > > >> of some sort. A quick bit of googling for such terms as "KDM removal > > >> [why]" reveals nothing. Can anyone here enlighten me please ? > > >> > > >> I'm just trying to stay educated :) > > >> > > >> [1] http://commit-digest.org/issues/2014-01-12/ > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> Nick > > > > > > http://www.thepowerbase.com/2013/03/plasma-workspaces-2-coming-to-waylan > > > d-> > kdm-not-invited/ > > > > > > Conrad > > > > So it seems linux is becoming a new windows, loosing features after > > features to be only a cvlone for the dumb people who want windows > > without learning anything else. > > If you read the article, they give excellent reasons for it. KDM doesn't > suit the needs of KDE into the future. Instead they want to pick an > existing DM that will already have good Wayland support. Seems reasonable > to me. > > What can we use to keep remote dispaly whch wayland does not ahve (and > > no a remote desktop is NOT a remote display of a program). > > When is the last time, realistically, you've actually used XDCMP or X > tunneling? Also, there's nothing stopping people from creating a compositor > for Wayland that is network transparent. > > The problem with X's network transparency is that it's horribly inefficient > (Slow even on broadband connections and takes a LOT of bandwidth for all the > protocols X11 uses.) and has very little use in today's Linux desktops. You > might not like it, but RDP/VNC are better alternatives. > > I personally just use SSH. I have no need for remote GUIs on Linux. > > > People may choose to eat shit, the propblem is when they force it on > > other people. > > Then why choose to continue eating OLD shit? X11 is an ancient, cruft- > encumbered pile with "features" that aren't needed at all anymore on today's > desktop. Even the Xorg developers want to see the day they don't work on > Xorg. > > Wayland isn't being forced on anybody, but it's generally agreed by users > and developers alike it's a good move because it gets rid of stuff we just > have no use for and takes advantage of actual modern features we could > actually use on a Linux desktop like KMS and compositing, two features that > were effectively hacked in to Xorg. > > It's like SysV Init, it's an old, tired, pain in the ass to maintain that is > going to be replaced but has people who want it to stay around because > change is bad. > > Conrad
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