On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 19:05 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 09:38 -0800, David Guntner wrote:
> > Ralf Mardorf grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 22:57 -0800, David Guntner wrote:
> > >> I build almost exclusively with ASUS motherboards, and every one has
> > >> worked just fine with Windows or Linux.  So I'm not exactly sure what
> > >> you were going for here, Ralf....
> > > 
> > > ASUS mobos have different chip sets, as the mobos of other vendors have
> > > got too. I don't trust generalizations based on experiences for computer
> > > gear, even not my own experiences. The vendor that did build good HDDs
> > > for the last 5 years might build bad HDDs the next 5 years. The company
> > > that build everlasting power supplies might use undersized capacitors
> > > now. IMO there isn't a real quality standard to count on. Your milage
> > > seems to vary.
> > 
> > That's an awful lat of supposition based on things you have no way of
> > predicting....
> > 
> > All anyone can do is go on information they have, in hand, regarding
> > past performance.  If a company has an established history of turning
> > out good stuff with a reasonable degree of regularity, the odds are that
> > the next thing they turn out will likely also be good.  Can they turn
> > out something bad?  Sure.  But no sane person is going to go with
> > something along the lines of, "Oh, the next one might be bad even though
> > they've got a good track record so far, so I'm not going to take a
> > chance with that new one."
> > 
> > If you've got hard information regarding a particular board in the past
> > being bad (bad for lots of people; a case of "it was a good run but the
> > board I got was bad" simply means you got a bad one out of an otherwise
> > good run), then that's hard information that can contribute to a
> > discussion.  Anything else is just a non-sequitur that only serves to
> > clutter up a conversation on the subject while making no meaningful
> > contribution to it.
> > 
> > In other words, it looks like you're just trolling...
> 
> You're mistaken, I won't take the time and search my mails, but you can
> do it on your own, somewhere in the ubuntu studio or 64 studio or linux
> audio users or linux audio developers archives or any other linux audio
> archive we talked about the ASUS mobo I own and about any mobo of any
> vendor in general. May I ask you how often you repair mobos or any other
> electronically gear? There's nothing wrong when you say that your
> experiences with ASUS mobos are good, but there's also nothing wrong
> when I talk about my knowledge regarding to mobos. You are the troll,
> since you didn't post one evidence that ASUS boards are generally good
> boards. I bought and will buy ASUS boards because I don't have much
> money and ASUS boards are elCheapo mobos and for audio production
> machines it's less expensive to buy ten mobos and to test them than to
> buy one expensive mobo from a company how gives a vague warranty about
> "no issues for audio production". You are trolling because you seemingly
> don't have experiences with repairing electronically gear during the
> last 20 years, so you aren't aware that vendors have a tendency to make
> gear less durable and you seemingly don't use the computer for tasks,
> such as real-time audio, real-time CNC etc.. IOW on what basis do you
> define that ASUS mobos are always good? You simply had good luck with
> ASUS mobos and perhaps bad luck with mobos from other companies.

When my ASUS board was brand new, the integrated ATI graphics already
was outdated! Even if this wouldn't be the case, proprietary ATI drivers
for Linux only will work with some versions of X, so if your mobo comes
with an ATI graphics soon or later you have to use the FLOSS driver and
than you e.g. even can't use GNOME 3, if you should care for
performance. If your ASUS mobo should come without a graphics or an
NVIDI that's better. However, the graphics isn't the only chip on a
mobo.



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