On 03/04/2013 02:44 PM, João Luis Meloni Assirati wrote:
Em 04-03-2013 17:09, Mark Filipak escreveu:
On 2013/3/4 2:35 PM, João Luis Meloni Assirati wrote:
So you cannot reproduce the bug, right?
I didn't try, João Luis.
For you, I will.
No, not for me. This list is archived and new Debian users may read
your postings and conclude that the GUI installer does not work or has
lower quality. In fact, they may think that the whole Debian is low
quality because your comments are all derogatory. After being able to
install Debian with the kind and patient help of some list members, it
is only fair that you contribute back giving the recipe on how to
reproduce the bug or admit that it was your fault and the bug does not
exist at all.
It will take me an hour or two.
It took much more that two man-hour to help you.
This experience has brought me a realization - every problem comes
with an opportunity in one of its hands, isn't that true?
Oh yes, I'm sure that some people learned a lot here.
Linux is not a GUI-OS. It's an X-Windows host. There's a big
difference. The primary interaction with the Windows kernel is
through GUIs. The primary interaction with the Linux kernel is
through the command line. That's why Linux seems so hostile, and that
realization should point the way to making it friendlier. Of primary
importance: The first impression Linux makes during installation.
How can someone who did not try the standard install tools come to
that conclusion? You are simply wrong and leading others to err.
João Luis.
Not to mention off the mark. Most desktop-based Linux distributions have
plenty enough X11-based tools available to keep a lot of users from
having to open a terminal emulator unless they absolutely have to.
But so what? I personally think the "ooh, command line, therefore
inferior" mentality is only really put forward by people who an inferior
understanding of how system software works. GUIs are 99.9% there to make
things "easy." And usually in doing so it's through the sacrifice of
some *very* powerful usage. But when it comes to sheer flexibility,
automation and speed? A flexible command line is way more powerful than
a GUI.
Saying that, I'm a KDE SC user on Arch Linux, and use Debian on my
server. I don't use Windows unless I have to (And most certainly *not*
on my server. I find Windows should not be on servers, ever.), and so
far I have very few use cases requiring Windows. But I also have yakuake
put in as a very speedy way to get a shell and do something that'd take
me a little longer and restrict my options through a GUI.
You can still run a very successful desktop system on Linux without
installing Xorg server at any point. The only command line that hasn't
modernized even a little bit is DOS.
By the way, to Mark, neither the GUI or text-based installer are that
hard to use. They only are if you stubbornly refuse to read
documentation and treat those who help you with hostility.
Regards.
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