Mark Filipak wrote:
On 2013/3/2 3:36 PM, Brian wrote:> On Sat 02 Mar 2013 at 13:24:06
-0500, Mark Filipak wrote:
Observation: I'm struck by how some (many?) on this list tell me what
I did (like I was asleep) and they're wrong. Please, pay attention...
I did not make a substitution.
1 - I installed Debian Live on a USB flash drive.
2 - I booted to the USB flash drive.
3 - I invoked the GUI version of the Debian Installer and attempted to
install Debian to a USB hard disk. - Both GRUB and LILO installation
failed (GRUB is automatically tried, and fails, LILO is tried manually).
4 - I invoked the text-based version of the Debian Installer targeted
to the same USB hard disk and it succeeded.
at the risk of wasting my breath (obviously you're still doing a
reply-all to list emails - PLEASE strip out all but the debian-user address)
what you did NOT do, was detail the step by step process you followed,
and have implied that you did not follow the step-by-step DETAILED
instructions in the installation manual
why this is important:
- first off, things like how to chose between different installer modes
(text vs. gui, expert mode) are given in the instructions
- things like how to access virtual terminals, the installation log, and
the syslog are given in the instructions (yet you're still asking how to
do this)
- there are lots of steps along the way, in terms of partitioning,
setting up grub/lilo options that are detailed in the step-by-step
instructions
---- CHOICES YOU MAKE EARLY ON CAN SCREW YOU LATER
---- INFORMATION THAT YOU CAPTURE EARLY ON CAN SCREW YOU LATER
Of course, between steps 3 & 4 I had to reboot back to Windows and
delete the USB hard disk partitions because deleting them inside the
GUI Debian Installer didn't work, so I guess it actually has more
bugs, eh? The point is: in both cases (unsuccessful & successful) the
source of the install was Debian Live on a USB flash drive and the
target of the install was a USB hard disk.
During this debacle, as I stated many times, the GUI installer takes
over the
entire screen. I reported what the installer told me when the GRUB
installer
failed. I did not know how to access the syslog. You write that I
"can't
follow instructions." I never got any instructions. "We can't help
you if you
won't tell us what syslog says" is not instructions.
the instructions (as in the installation manual) TELL you how to do all
of this -- you actually have to RTFM, not just the onscreen instructions
Now that you mention it - what does GRUB report in the syslog when it
fails to install as you described in your very first post? Be daring;
give it a go again, exactly as you related there.
Sigh! How can I read the syslog? Where is it?
/var/...blah-blah-blah... or /usr/...blah-blah-blah... or
/sys/...blah-blah-blah... - I'm not a Linux user. And, since nothing
gets written to the USB flash drive (remember: this Debian Live thinks
it's running on CD), how would I find it at all!
you escape to a virtual terminal and read what's been written onto the
temporary ramdisk - but you'd know this if you RTFM
I note from your LinkedIn page that you're mostly a hardware guy. Guess
what, isolating software issues has to be done in just as detailed a
step-by-step manner is tracing a signal path. You keep jumping over
major steps.
--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra
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