On Tue, September 11, 2012 11:22 pm, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Ma, 11 sep 12, 14:47:57, Weaver wrote:
>>
>> There is a stage where the installer asks for contrib and non-free apt
>> list inclusions.
>
> Only for expert installs AFAIK.

Ah yes, that's right!
>
>> It would probably be  best to incorporate this as a default in a newbie
>> install.
>
> In my opinion that would be a bad idea. While I can accept that some
> (most?) people don't want or need to know about the intricacies of an
> operating system I think they should be educated about their freedom (or
> lack of).

Exactly!
>
> They may end up giving it up and install non-free software (like many of
> us do as well), but at least it would be an informed decision.

I would argue for the successful, fully-operative installation first.
Once access is there - to so many mediums - that education, along with
many other aspects, would be a matter of informed choice also.
But I think exposure and the resultant acceptance level need priority.
Without that there's no appreciable change in market acceptance level.
>
>> Perhaps a note to explain this could be incorporated - 'If you are new
>> to
>> open source free software, we recommend that you accept this option'- or
>> something along those lines might be appropriate.
>
> Debian is currently investigating *possibly*[1] removing any reference
> to non-free that might be considered a recommendation, in order to be
> accepted by the FSF as a free distro.
>
> [1] Debian may still end up keeping references to non-free if it
> considers the service to the users is more important than acceptance by
> the FSF.

I think that also would be a matter of individual choice, which, after
all, is Stallman's maxim.

I'm certainly heading in that direction as far as attitude goes, at least.
I look forward to greater implementation of HTML5 so that I can dump
Flash, for example.

Who knows?
There could well be a fork in the future, with developers working on both.
Where are they going to come from?
Regards,

Weaver
-- 
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 -- Thomas Paine



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