On Mon, September 10, 2012 7:06 am, Camaleón wrote: > On Sun, 09 Sep 2012 14:57:20 -0700, Weaver wrote: > >> On Sun, September 9, 2012 7:43 am, Camaleón wrote: > >>> You mean you got your linux preinstalled within you computer? That >>> would be nice but I'm afraid not the norm :-) >> >> No, I mean that I have always had to install/reinstall Windows, because >> the software has usually been as broken as the secondhand boxes. > > Ah, sure, reinstalling Windows is a usual task for non-techies. They tend > to fill too much their systems with crappy software but Windows is not > the culprit here, but users. Look, we always end in users :-)
That's it! I used to be a crappy user! > >>> That's a different user case. But then, Windows installation is not >>> that straight-forward because you may have to provide some basic >>> drivers (for the storage controller) and manually partition the hard >>> disk, choose the file system to use, etc. >> >> I don't remember anything like that, but I should qualify that with the >> info that I haven't dealt with Windows since XP, which is when I finally >> gave up on it. > > The last installation I did for a Windows system it was also a Windows XP > box and for the task I needed to create a floopy disk with the > corresponding AHCI drivers because the installer did not recognize the > controller and gave a nice BSOD (I wonder what a non-techie user would > have done in this case >:-) ) Probably the hardware was too new for the operating system. As I said, I had old crappy boxes, too. I remember that I was running 98 SE on a couple of them, so they wouldn't have been the latest fashion in motherboards. Enforced obsolescence. The Microsoft way! > > But yes, installing Windows completely from scratch is not an easy task. > >>>> From memory, it ran itself. >>> >>> I really doubt it. >> >> No, really. >> My only recollections are of that blue screen with a loading indicator >> running across it, which told me, after my first couple of installs, >> that I could go and make another cup of coffee. > > Maybe is that you were lucky and all the hardware and devices were a bit > old and thus properly detected by the installer itself because Windows > attached the needed drivers. But of course, this is not always the case > and when problem arises (in Windows, I mean), it can be very difficult to > debug. > >>>> There were perhaps a couple of questions that didn't require reference >>>> to Einstein, but that was all. >>> >>> Not the questions the "joe" user is able to provide without help. >> >> Perhaps this has come along lately, as an inducement for Joe-User to go >> for the OEM variety, so they can cut back on their totally inefficien >> support staff. > > (...) > > OEM versions of Windows have been always there (in fact, most of the > notebooks/netbooks only provide the OEM version). For desktop computers > or servers that you can build by yourself, it's easier to get an empty > disk and then "buy" a copy of the full (non-OEMized) Windows installation > disk (well, "buy" enclosed in quotes because a high percent of Windows > users do not pay a cent for their OS, you know...). I think you have to keep those ones off-line? Regards, Weaver. -- "It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government." -- Thomas Paine -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2e2159dac9bcff6071f2da7127a7903f.squir...@fulvetta.riseup.net
