On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 13:28, Camaleón <noela...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, 08 May 2011 09:42:49 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 12:41, Camaleón <noela...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> I just tried tinyurl with wget and got the same IP address (and 200 >>>> response) as you. I didn't check the links, though. >>> >>> Then? Are you still getting trouble to reach the tinyurl web site? If >>> yes, there could be a filter/proxy in between of you and the website, >>> that is, your ISP. >>> >>> >> I didn't try the links. > > You said (sic) "The tinyurl server is giving a 500 error." >
Right, at the beginning of the thread. >> There is a point when I don't care about being >> right or wrong, I made my say and I'll not argue over trivial things >> with people who I'd really rather get along with. > > Fine, but doing so in a public (and mostly technical) mailing list > generates other people reply to your "considerations" about a web service > that has been there providing a useful service since years. > I mentioned problems with the service, both here-and-now problems and potential issues about the future. That does not mean that I intend to debate the subject for three days over tens of posts. >> I'm not trying to force anyone, nor am I making blame. I am giving >> tangible arguments in favour of my position. If someone wishes to >> disregard my arguments, even if it is to my detriment and the detriment >> of the fine archives, so be it. > > You are charging against Tinyurl and blaming over it because of some > obscure privacy concerns you have... but you are writing on a public > mailing list, you use Gmail and you still worry about privacy? That makes > no sense. > Feel free to ignore the privacy aspects if they don't concern you. How about the ability to mask a malicious link? How about adding redundant layers to an already tenuous HTTP connection? How about the future viability of the links when the shortening service has a server failure, or goes out of business, is bought, or hacked, or shut down by law? > I used the Gmail argument because is a service that you are using but > apparently you are also much worried about your privacy. That's an > oxymoron. Probably by using Gmail's e-mail service you are being more > watched than by following a tinyurl link. > I use Gmail for public mailing lists. I have my private and business mail at my own domain dotancohen.com. > I believe there is nothing wrong in using them. Heck, this is the web! > Most of the "plain" URIs are not available anymore because people closes > their sites and they stop caring about making a redirect to the new ones. > Links dead, regardless of the usage of URL shortening services or no. > That's a red herring argument. Do you also not wear a seatbelt because we are all going to die anyway? Same argument. >> So why use it? > > To make a bunch of text short. To give the reader some sort of usability > (there are e-mail clients that do not wrap well a long formatted URL or > they even broke the full link). To provide "clarity" to the whole message. > The shortening services do not provide clarity. Here is a clear URL: http://dotancohen.com/eng/noah_ergonomic_keyboard_layout.html You know where it is going, and the topic under discussion. You might recognize the domain name if it is a common one and base your trust on that. I'll open links to http://debian.org, but I won't open links to http://debian.on.nimp.org and seeing the URL is critical in that decision. Here is a non-clear URL: http://tinyurl.com/2ajjgt Where does that go? Yes, I know about the "preview feature". I still have to invoke tinyurl to invoke the "preview feature". > There is a saying that says: "When the wise man points at the moon, the > idiot looks at the finger". In brief, I think that Tinyurl is no the main > question here. > I counter with the saying "When the sage lifts his book, the slave lowers his pen". Tinyurl gives no benefit and [causes problems || has the potential to cause problems]. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktinpixyu9vbte6jdu0be_w-62nj...@mail.gmail.com
