On 20091015_084022, Frank Lin PIAT wrote: > On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 22:41 -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > > ... I prepared a new partition and used my netinstall CD to install a > > complete Xfce system there. This is not the first time I have > > installed Debian, so everything went pretty smoothly and shortly I had > > an Xfce system up and running and looking like the screen shots > > on the web, but... > > > > It didn't seem to have a way to mount memory sticks like I had > > become used to under Gnome, particularly the automatic creation > > of a mount-point in /media using the volume label for the name. > > > > ... I finally determined, to my satisfaction, > > that the hal package was needed to make the feature work. [..] > > > > Anyway, I think that hal should be included in the Xfce install that > > is burnt into the netinstall CD. > > Well, Xfce's file manager is thunar. The thing is that thunar does > "recommends" hal, so aptitude would install it by default when you > install xfce. > > Until Lenny Debian-Installer,including tasksel, did not install the > "recommended" packages, but only packages. At the same time, Debian > installer uses the Tasks and virtual package to list the package that > should be installed for each type of installation (gnome, xfce... > laptop,desktop... fileserver, webserver...). AFAIK, the purpose was to > be able to finely tune the content of Gnome/KDE/XFCE/LXDE, to fit the > maximum into the CD. (this is done very late in the release cycle). > > In Squeeze, DebianInstaller might install all recommends by default (the > issue is that it would increase the default installation size > significantly) > > > I know that Xfce is an avowedly > > minimalist environment, but the Debian install version of Xfce is > > definately not minimal. > > Thunar maintainer seems to agree with you, since thunar "recommends" hal > (otherwise, it would be "suggested" only) > > > So it seems to me that this package was simply overlooked when > > configuring tasksel, but maybe not. > > may be. > > > What is the package that determines what gets put into the tasksel for > > each of the different environments? I'd like this to get on a to-do > > list for the up-coming Squeeze netinstall CD. > > The description and content of tasksel tasks are contained in > tasksel-data's /usr/share/tasksel/debian-tasks.desc > > Read http://wiki.debian.org/KDE http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome for more > information about DesktopEnvironements tasks. I have little interest in > Xfce, so I never updated the page http://wiki.debian.org/Xfce > > > An afterthought: Why does tasksel continue to exist and be used? > > The Debian-Installer team are the right person to ask. As I mentioned > above, I think it's essentially to determine the content of Debian CDs. > > > I know of no way to look up what will be installed before I ask > > commit to a run of tasksel. If I try something and there is a disaster, > > I have very little to go on to try to clean up the mess. But the > > apt system and aptitude are very helpful in avoiding serious errors. > > tasksel has a test mode, the the manpage. > > > The developers who configure tasksel for various situations surely > > know how to write package dependency lists. If special packages of > > packages for various popular cibfugurations were written, then people > > like me could use aptitude to determine what goes into a big, messy > > thing like a fully configured desktop environment. > > I believe they are aware of the problem. However, tasksel is used, very > late in the release process, to finely tune what is installed in the > CDs. > > You can read http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2009/03/msg00413.html
Reading this, I'm confident that my concern will be addressed without further action from me. Thanks for pointing it out to me. > > Did you install Debian Lenny or Debian Testing ? If you installed Lenny, but the concern was for the up-coming release of Squeeze. I do not any more think that I need to report a bug, so many questions in my post have become unimportant. Thanks for cutting short a discussion that could easily have become very tangled. > testing, You should file an installation-report bug, using : > reportbug installation???report > And quickly explain that Xfce should install hal. > > Regards, > > Franklin > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org > -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
