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On 06/27/08 10:12, Mike Mestnik wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 08:18:08PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On 06/25/08 17:33, Mike Mestnik wrote:
>>> Over the past few mouths I've received more unusable PDFs then I've
>>> ever received usable PDFs.  Well maybe that's an exaggeration, but it
>>> still doesn't excuse the large number of broken documents in this format
>>> I've received.
>>>
>>> I have asked senders to choose a better format, but they keep coming.
>>> Many sites that have PDFs as part of there content do not seam to be
>>> having this problem it's when I get PDFs send via email that there are
>>> issues.  I just got an email from NetApp with a PDF I can't read, so
>>> the problem is starting to manifest itself in the form of missed
>>> important communications.
>>>
>>> Mostly I'd just like a forum to complain, but if some one has a
>>> suggestion I'm willing to hear them out.
>>>
>>> As this issue does effect Debian the issue is not specific to Debian.
>>> There are several Debian packages that will help, but they are not
>>> available every where and keeping these packages updated would be hard.
>>>
>>> Perhaps I could use gs or something on a webserver, then at least I'd
>>> only have to worried about keeping a single copy working.  That still
>>> doesn't solve the problem of PDS that simply can't be read by any
>>> usual means.
>> You aren't giving us much to work with...
>>
> Thank you for replying.  Please CC me as I'm no-longer on the list.
> 
> I'm CCing Ron as I don't expect my comment will be un-delayed
> reaching the rest of the list.  Any advice for posting by non-list
> members?
> 
> I think the problem lies in education of the makers of PDFs.  I'd like
> to just plain see them use another format, but if I can get them to
> use software that's better supported then that would make every one
> happier.
> 
> I'm also not happy with the usage and support of ShockWaveFlash, but
> the issue there is much more under control then this PDF problem.
> 
>> (a) What DE & PDF reader are you using?
>>
> What could be better then any copy of GS made after 2000?
> 
> GPL Ghostscript 8.15 (2004-09-22)

That's kinda old.  Debian Sid uses v8.62 (2008-02-29).

> I've attempted to recompile a newer copy, but the OS(SunOS 5.8) I'm on
> won't support it.  "File / Save as -> Office 1997?"  I'm sure many of
> the users will still remember as I do.

Hmmm.  That's Not Debian, and a pretty ancient Not Debian...

Are you sure that you're on the correct list, or am I misreading you?

> I'm sure it doesn't matter or at least it shouldn't.  If there are
> differences between readers, then that's the problem I'm complaining
> about.  It's not useful if I need to be using 3 readers to read all
> the documents that I come across.
> 
> Perhaps a PDF chooser should be written to look at the features used in
> the documents that then forward to the correct reader.  It would be
> better to have a PDF sanitizer that would correct errors and un-role
> features that are less supported, but I feel if such a program existed
> it would make a better reader.
> 
> I would not at all mind having to install a PDF wrapper, that depends
> on and makes use of a wide variety of readers.  Making each reader use
> a similar skin would be a worth-while effort.
> 
>> (b) Have you tried acroread?
>>
> This will not work on many handheld device?  As well as most of my
> Desktops(PPC64 and FreeBSD).  Ohh, but it will work on my Sparc.  Is
> it text-only for my ssh sessions or will I need to bother with X over
> slow links?  I'll find out.
> 
> I'm using a reader that works on all the platforms Debian works on.
> Perhaps if I'm on another platform it's not nessissary to use the same
> reader I use on every other platform, so long as I'm using a reader
> that's able to open most documents.  Maybe acroread should be made to
> work on other platforms using virtual machine technology, like qemu.
> 
> Mostly the issue is the work needed to install it.  No-longer part of
> Debian.
> 
>> (c) What kind of errors are you receiving?
>>
> All kinds, usually beginning with "%%".  The last error I got reported
> that EOF had trailing garbage.  Basically every type of I don't
> understand this feature, true type font not included, I couldn't parse
> input at BLAH.
> 
> I'm sure all of these are related to poor software creating the PDFs.
> Perhaps I'd like to see there being a black list, so I could direct
> ppl to it and either suggest they upgrade or that they should use one
> of these other programs that will work.
> 

- --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA

"Kittens give Morbo gas.  In lighter news, the city of New New
York is doomed."
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