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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2003 : Issue 2301
Today's Topics:
Re: Offline aptitude? [ Alex Malinovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
Re: [OT]: CVS replacement [ Dave Carrigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Re: Unusual idea.. [ Alan Shutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Offline aptitude? (line-wrapped) [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
Re: crash on shutdown [ Siward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Re: Unusual idea.. [ MJM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Bruce Burhans: Is it really you ??? [ "Michael D. Schleif" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
Re:Overriding GTK+1.x fonts [ Siward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Re: Challenge-response mail filters [ Richard Kimber <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
Re: is exim attempting to relay ??? [ Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Re:Automatic cropping ov .eps graphi [ Siward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Re: One Last Note [ Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Re: Unusual idea.. [ Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Re: On Woody: (No) Sound with VIA 68 [ Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Re: One Last Note [ Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Problem with Canon BJC 4300 [ chrisveeder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Re: is exim attempting to relay ??? [ "Michael D. Schleif" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
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Subject: Re: Offline aptitude? From: Alex Malinovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 08 Aug 2003 15:35:07 -0500 To: debuser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Fri, 2003-08-08 at 13:29, Michael Milligan wrote:
Maintaining as I do a number of machines with poor connectivity to the internet, I make heavy use of the technique described in the "APT Offline Usage Guide" to upgrade packages on these systems.
However, I now find that I need something even more powerful: offline aptitude! The situation is, a couple of machines need to be somewhat repurposed, and the best way to get the exact package scheme I want (including a lot of selective upgrades and manual conflict resolution) that I have so far found is to use aptitude. If I can get it to work in a similar "offline" mode, that is.
So far, I have convinced the thing to use the same fake apt-tree that offline APT uses, which means that it works just fine for downloading the needed packages. I also got it to write out a log of actions taken, so technically I have all the information I need to perform the upgrades.
What would be really wonderful, though, would be to convince aptitude to save the selections I made into a file, which I could then feed into aptitude on the offline end (along with the downloaded packages) to perform the actions automatically. Otherwise I'm going to spend a lot of time manually removing deselected packages in between installations and upgrades.
Does anyone know of a way to accomplish this? Bonus points if I can
both download the packages, *and* save the selections, without doing
the selection work twice.
Well, for starters you can tell your mailer to wrap long lines automatically at about 80 columns or so. :)
After that, I'd suggest looking more closely at dpkg instead of aptitude. aptitude is more of a front end, while dpkg and apt-get are the real workhorses. What you'd want to do is something along the lines of:
dpkg --get-selections
and
dpkg --set-selections
Combine that with apt-get --download-only and you should have what you need. Look at the man pages for dpkg and apt-get for more details. It might be possible to have aptitude do all of this from the command line as well, but since it would just end up calling dpkg and apt-get anyway, you may as well cut out the middle man.
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Subject: Re: [OT]: CVS replacement From: Dave Carrigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:38:35 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 03:48:44PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
The man page is out of date. cvs2cvn supports branches and tags, though
it does have a number of other bugs and limitations.
I guess it serves me right for reading the documentation instead of reading the source :-)
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Subject: Re: Unusual idea.. From: Alan Shutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 15:13:52 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Craig Tinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Imagine converting an mp3 into a wav and loading it into a wav editor..
you will see a waveform.. there must be a mathematical way of converting
that waveform into a unique number that will represent that waveform..
the number would be huge to hold all the information for the waveform...
The MP3 _is_ just a number. It just happens to be stored as a long sequence of bytes, instead of a long sequence of digits.
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Subject: Offline aptitude? (line-wrapped) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:38:40 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Maintaining as I do a number of machines with poor connectivity to the internet, I make heavy use of the technique described in the "APT Offline Usage Guide" to upgrade packages on these systems.
However, I now find that I need something even more powerful: offline aptitude! The situation is, a couple of machines need to be somewhat repurposed, and the best way to get the exact package scheme I want (including a lot of selective upgrades and manual conflict resolution) that I have so far found is to use aptitude. If I can get it to work in a similar "offline" mode, that is.
So far, I have convinced the thing to use the same fake apt-tree that offline APT uses, which means that it works just fine for downloading the needed packages. I also got it to write out a log of actions taken, so technically I have all the information I need to perform the upgrades.
What would be really wonderful, though, would be to convince aptitude to save the selections I made into a file, which I could then feed into aptitude on the offline end (along with the downloaded packages) to perform the actions automatically. Otherwise I'm going to spend a lot of time manually removing deselected packages in between installations and upgrades.
Does anyone know of a way to accomplish this? Bonus points if I can both download the packages, *and* save the selections, without doing the selection work twice.
Many thanks, ...Michael
PS. Sorry, this version properly line-wrapped
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Subject: Re: crash on shutdown From: Siward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 23:03:04 +0200 To: Jaque Moreau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi Jacque,
you wrote :
My freshly installed debian often crashes on shutdown
when calling the umountfs script
and my /usr partition is not unmounted.
I use kernel-image-2.4.18-686 with ext2 on woody.
that sounds kinda serious. if you are convinced that this happens on a clean system (i mean that you didnt mess up system yourself) then i think you should file a bug on that kernel-image package i checked BTS and there are no bugreports about it. if you dont know how to file a bugreport, see debian website
hope this helps,
Siward
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Subject: Re: Unusual idea.. From: MJM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:22:42 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Friday 08 August 2003 13:43, Pigeon wrote:
read a book on DSP.
Recommendations?
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Subject: Bruce Burhans: Is it really you ??? From: "Michael D. Schleif" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:36:03 -0500 To: debian-user mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
For those of you with way too much time on your hands (as I found myself recovering from flu today), the following links may prove hysterical:
<http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=4n3vfvovcickf699jc087n0lruv6iqf5cl%404ax.com>
<http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=bRXc.Rl.13%40gated-at.bofh.it&output=gplain>
<http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=A1lLa.69212%24Io.6491842%40newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
<http://groups.google.com/groups?q=alanconnor&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=jSMEa.40720%24Io.3554988%40newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net&rnum=3>
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<http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=3f173d6c_8%40corp.newsgroups.com&rnum=22&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dalanconnor%26start%3D20%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26selm%3D3f173d6c_8%2540corp.newsgroups.com%26rnum%3D22>
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<http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=d1vpgvss3149e18eo797t2sig45kbj5ttl%404ax.com&rnum=26&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dalanconnor%26start%3D20%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26selm%3Dd1vpgvss3149e18eo797t2sig45kbj5ttl%25404ax.com%26rnum%3D26>
<http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=becmd8%24cs4%241%40naig.caltech.edu&rnum=29&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dalanconnor%26start%3D20%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26selm%3Dbecmd8%2524cs4%25241%2540naig.caltech.edu%26rnum%3D29>
<http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=o6GNa.82388%24Io.7440505%40newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net&rnum=31&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dalanconnor%26start%3D30%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26selm%3Do6GNa.82388%2524Io.7440505%2540newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net%26rnum%3D31>
<http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl3170171352d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=do_Ma.23633%24C83.2222356%40newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
<http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl2120801622d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=quXKa.14816%24C83.1409579%40newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
<http://groups.google.com/groups?q=alanconnor&start=30&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=BQhFa.38819%24rO.3659027%40newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net&rnum=36>
Can you imagine alanc ready to dart off into wilderness with his PC and c-r system . . .
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Subject: Re:Overriding GTK+1.x fonts From: Siward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 23:18:57 +0200 To: Javier Kohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi Javier,
you wrote :
I've recently switched to an UTF-8 locale
and the font settings in /etc/gtk/gtkrc.utf-8 are
taking precedence to my $HOME/.gtkrc
afaik user settings normally take precedence over systemwide settings so maybe this was caused by gtk not accepting your home .gtkrc because it didnt have expected locale. did you try to create a $HOME/.gtkrc.utf-8 ?
hope this helps,
Siward
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Subject: Re: Challenge-response mail filters considered harmful (was Re: Look at From: Richard Kimber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:43:19 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:01:05 -0400 (EDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Correctly configuring your mail server can go a long ways to reducing
the spam that you recieve.
I'm sure that's true. The problem is there are three kinds of people: experts, people who more or less know what they're doing, and simple home users who don't - like me.
When I installed Debian, I spent _a lot_ of time getting exim/fetchmail/procmail/bogofilter to work. Correctly configuring anything is certainly a goal, but just getting it working is nice.
- Richard.
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Subject: Re: is exim attempting to relay ??? From: Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:54:23 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 11:10:47AM -0500, Michael D. Schleif wrote:
I don't think that is it, since -- unless I'm terribly mistaken -- it appears that the whole process starts with an incoming mail message, with malformed headers, which is bounced. What confuses me is, where does this address:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
come from?
It's the reason I have [EMAIL PROTECTED] in /etc/exim/blocked.senders: knocks out stupid MS virus spams. That line just rejected another one a few days ago, on my system.
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Subject: Re:Automatic cropping ov .eps graphics From: Siward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 23:31:02 +0200 To: Joerg Johannes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi Joerg,
you wrote that you want to crop .eps graphics i know nothing about .eps graphics, but 'apropos eps' said : epsffit (1) - fit encapsulated PostScript file (EPSF) intoconstrained size epstopdf (1)- convert an EPS file to PDF
so it looks like first one should do what you want, and if not, then you may be able to use gimp (either directly or after transforming image to another format).
hope this helps,
Siward
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Subject: Re: One Last Note From: Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 09 Aug 2003 00:51:30 +0300 To: debian-user <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Fri, 2003-08-08 at 08:52, Alan Connor wrote:
You have 3 spammers on the list, that I have been able to identify for sure.
You can figure it out: They are the ones that spearheaded the opposition against CR.
"No!" you say, in shock, "It couldn't be HIM?!"
Oh yes it could. And it is.
They were the main reason I chose the list for my provocations.
I have their every post on file, and am preparing detailed responses to their twisted arguments.
heehee....
Alan
This sounds somewhat like frankestein and his monster.
The fact that you are a paranoid doesn't mean that someone is not
following you ...
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Subject: Re: Unusual idea.. From: Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 09 Aug 2003 00:51:37 +0300 To: debian-user <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Fri, 2003-08-08 at 11:22, Craig Tinson wrote:
Guys...
I've had an idea for a "play project" I can work on at home in my spare time.. but before I start on it I need a few ideas..
Can anyone come up with a theory on how to "convert an mp3 into a number"? I know that sounds weird so I'll explain what I mean...
Imagine converting an mp3 into a wav and loading it into a wav editor.. you will see a waveform.. there must be a mathematical way of converting that waveform into a unique number that will represent that waveform.. the number would be huge to hold all the information for the waveform...
When I say "number" I don't mean as in integer, long etc.. I mean as in a huge set of individual integers..
Hope that all makes sense.. anyone any ideas on how this could be done?
Cheers
Craig
You can never convert it into a single unique number. That can be proved
to be impossible. You can convert it into a different set of numbers if
you fill like it.
Look into the theory of wavelets or fourier transforms if you really
fill like it.
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Subject: Re: On Woody: (No) Sound with VIA 686a Southbridge, AC 97 From: Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 09 Aug 2003 00:52:50 +0300 To: debian-user <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Fri, 2003-08-08 at 15:51, Tom White wrote:
Caidence,
Your best bet is definitely a kernel upgrade. It is possible to get the VIA Southbridge to work under an older kernel using Alsa, but it's something of a pain. The one time I did it it took me quite a few hours to figure out exactly what had to go into /etc/modutils/snd and get everything working right. It's much easier to upgrade to a new kernel (The most recent stable one) that has support for the card.
Look into alsaconf, it creates the configuration files under /etc/alsa/modutils/0.9 or something close to it. You can make a link to it from /etc/modutils and voila ...
~Tom W
--------------------------------------------- http://www.oddquad.org/ --------------------------------------------- "...and the fully armed nuclear warheads, are, of course, merely a courtesy detail."
Using alsa worked for me with that card. Either the external drivers
from alsa-source-something or under kernel 2.6.0-test2 (sound worked but
I had some other problems with it so am not using it for the moment).
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Subject: Re: One Last Note From: Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:57:15 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 09 Aug 2003 00:51:30 +0300
Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Fri, 2003-08-08 at 08:52, Alan Connor wrote:
You have 3 spammers on the list, that I have been able to identify for
sure.
You can figure it out: They are the ones that spearheaded the opposition
against CR.
"No!" you say, in shock, "It couldn't be HIM?!"
Oh yes it could. And it is.
Wonder why he doesn't just name names. Alan, the ultimate wuss when it comes to put up or shut up.
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Subject: Problem with Canon BJC 4300 From: chrisveeder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 16:29:49 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Not sure I have the correct address - my Canon BJC 4300 will not print - I tried changing the cartridge, but that is not the problem. Purchased the printer in March of 1998, I believe. Have not had a problem before - When I push print it stops and indicates "error". Is there a solution?
Would appreciate an answer to above e-mail
address, or an 800 number I can call...to
the same address.
Thank you. Chris Veeder
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Subject: Re: is exim attempting to relay ??? From: "Michael D. Schleif" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:23:33 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Also sprach Pigeon (Fri 08 Aug 02003 at 09:54:23PM +0100):
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 11:10:47AM -0500, Michael D. Schleif wrote:
It's the reason I have [EMAIL PROTECTED] in /etc/exim/blocked.senders:I don't think that is it, since -- unless I'm terribly mistaken -- it appears that the whole process starts with an incoming mail message, with malformed headers, which is bounced. What confuses me is, where does this address:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
come from?
knocks out stupid MS virus spams. That line just rejected another one
a few days ago, on my system.
Yes, I understand that.
However, I am trying to understand what is happening in my example bounce, because -- it looks to me as if -- this is a new type of malicious tool that bypasses normal anti-relaying configuration. Somehow, even though I am not an open relay, somebody sent mail to me that my system bounced, then relayed anyway . . .
What am I missing?
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