On Mon, Sep 10, 2007 at 09:55:01AM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2007 at 11:00:28AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On 09/10/07 10:35, Wayne Topa wrote:
> > > Andrew Sackville-West([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
> > >> On Mon, Sep 10, 2007 at 09:15:19AM +0800, Michael Yang wrote:
> > >>> It's annoying me .....why there is so much spams in the list?
> > >> please read the archives from today, Sep 9/10 2007, as this issue has
> > >> been discussed.
> > > 
> > > I am not seeing this spam so will have to go to the archives.  Guess
> > > murx/mailfilter works better then whatever the list uses.  
> > 
> > As must SA plus whatever my ISP uses.
> 
> I"m baffled as I've got SA running and its definitely picking up a LOT
> of stuff, but as I've said previously, the stuff that's getting
> through my SA to my local mailboxes is the same stuff that's hitting
> me through d-u. And its all got really high spam scores listed in the
> d-u headers, so why is it getting through? and what is the threshold
> at which murphy dumps it? There are a couple in my d-u inbox right now
> with amavis scores of over 30 but they are called "OK". And they're
> getting through my SA.... I need to tweak my SA so it always includes
> the spam score (doesn't currently) and see what its scoring here. but
> it almost seems like someone has figured out how to trick SA into
> letting a high score through. 

I'm not running SA, but my ISP does. Look what I get for two of those:

X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on relay1               
                                             
X-Spam-Level: **                                                                
                                             
X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.2 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_TZ_GMT,RCVD_BY_IP       
                                             
        autolearn=disabled version=3.1.1

and the second

X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on relay2               
                                             
X-Spam-Level:                                                                   
                                             
X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE                    
                                             
        autolearn=disabled version=3.1.1

My ISPs SA (and not only) is really terrible. For a while I was missing 
a lot of posts from the list so I checked the Spam folder via the 
webmail (which does not work with anything except Internet Explorer, 
though it seems to be Squirrel webmail) and found the missing d-u mail.  

I had to disable their filtering, which was also tricky to achieve as I 
couldn't delete the default spam filter, so I just made another filter 
which was moving all the "spam" to the inbox before the spam filter rule 
could see them.

I thought of readjusting my maildrop rules to try to use the SA headers, 
but seeing the high false positives and false negatives count I think 
it's not worth it.

Regards,
Andrei
-- 
If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.
(Albert Einstein)

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