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Hi Martin,

actually this is not a debian related question...

i do know but here is where the experts live :)

however, i'd post to the appropriate list but i don't know where i
should go, since it's not directly related to any software nor to any
OS.

details below, long story short: Is it normal that when I change the
IP of my nameserver the parent nameservers aren't updated immediately
(after my zone expires)?

If you post your zone file and tell us what version, ip etc. your server
is using, we could help you a little bit more...

using powerdns with ldap backend here and all is set up fine to my
knowledge, i'll put out the dig responses.

So here's the story, we had or nameserver at (using bind syntax,
typing here so forgive me typos but be assured that it _was_ fine)

@ IN NS ns10.openforce.com.
ns10 IN A 62.99.149.110

i told our provider the IP will change and now it _should_ point to
the a record below like this

@ IN NS ns10.openforce.com.
ns10 IN A 81.223.107.117

so all that changes is the IP, the hostname is still the same (could
that be the problem?)

com servers still report that

ns10.openforce.com.     172800  IN      A       62.99.149.110 ;;
actual dig output from com. servers

but they should report

ns10.openforce.com.     3600    IN      A       81.223.107.117 ;;
actual dig output from my nameserver

the update was on 2007-06-27 0900h GMT+1 so the question is: Can I
relax, sit back and wait until the com. nameservers catch up with the
changes or did something go horribly wrong?

dig info is below:

My old nameserver (bind9 actually, split views, querying the public
view of course, fine apart from that I set ns10 to point to the ip of
the new nameserver, and i reflect the serial number from the new
nameserver):
~ $ dig @62.99.149.110 openforce.com SOA
openforce.com.          1800    IN      SOA     ns10.openforce.com.
noc.openforce.com. 1182932271 1800 900 3600 900
openforce.com.          1800    IN      NS      ns10.openforce.com.
openforce.com.          1800    IN      NS      ns34.ifo.net.
ns10.openforce.com.     1800    IN      A       81.223.107.117
;; Received 132 bytes from 62.99.149.110#53(62.99.149.110) in 21 ms

My new nameserver (added the ns34 since debugging our provider showed
that regardless of what they tell me ns24 and ns34 reflect the same
information, ns34 will probably be removed, but the parent servers say
ns34 is repsonsible but I never had it in my zone up to the point
where I told them that the my nameservers IP changed):
~ $ dig @81.223.107.117 openforce.com SOA
openforce.com.          3600    IN      SOA     ns10.openforce.com.
noc.openforce.com. 1182950545 1800 900 3600 900
;; Received 89 bytes from 81.223.107.117#53(81.223.107.117) in 66 ms

~ $ dig @81.223.107.117 openforce.com NS
openforce.com.          3600    IN      NS      ns24.ifo.net.
openforce.com.          3600    IN      NS      ns10.openforce.com.
openforce.com.          3600    IN      NS      ns34.ifo.net.
ns10.openforce.com.     3600    IN      A       81.223.107.117
;; Received 111 bytes from 81.223.107.117#53(81.223.107.117) in 27 ms

My DNS Providers nameserver:
~ $ dig @ns24.ifo.net openforce.com SOA
openforce.com.          3600    IN      SOA     ns10.openforce.com.
noc.openforce.com. 1182932271 1800 900 3600 900
openforce.com.          3600    IN      NS      ns10.openforce.com.
openforce.com.          3600    IN      NS      ns24.ifo.net.
ns10.openforce.com.     3600    IN      A       81.223.107.117
ns24.ifo.net.           7200    IN      A       217.29.159.135
;; Received 148 bytes from 217.29.159.135#53(217.29.159.135) in 58 ms

~ $ dig @ns34.ifo.net openforce.com SOA
openforce.com.          3600    IN      SOA     ns10.openforce.com.
noc.openforce.com. 1182932271 1800 900 3600 900
openforce.com.          3600    IN      NS      ns10.openforce.com.
openforce.com.          3600    IN      NS      ns24.ifo.net.
ns10.openforce.com.     3600    IN      A       81.223.107.117
ns24.ifo.net.           7200    IN      A       217.29.159.135
;; Received 148 bytes from 217.29.159.131#53(217.29.159.131) in 37 ms

The com Nameservers say this:
providing only the first output here since all report the same
~ $ for i in $(dig com NS|egrep '^com\.'|awk '{print $5}');do dig @$i
openforce.com NS;done
openforce.com.          172800  IN      NS      ns10.openforce.com.
openforce.com.          172800  IN      NS      ns34.ifo.net.
ns10.openforce.com.     172800  IN      A       62.99.149.110
ns34.ifo.net.           172800  IN      A       217.29.159.131
;; Received 108 bytes from 192.52.178.30#53(192.52.178.30) in 53 ms

thanks
martin

On 6/27/07, Till Wimmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Martin,

actually this is not a debian related question...

If you post your zone file and tell us what version, ip etc. your server
is using, we could help you a little bit more...

bye
Till

Martin Marcher wrote:
> hello,
>
> i needed to update our nameserver, now maintaining my own nameserver
> is fine but I don't know what procedure to follow if i need to point
> our ns a new IP. Having blindly trusted our dns provider to tell me
> about eventualities i just told them to update the ip address for the
> nameserver and tell me about possible problems. what can i say he told
> me everything is fine and now dnsreport.com tells me about mismatched
> glue for our nameservers
>
> http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?%26domain%3Dopenforce.com
>
> Do I just have to wait for the parent servers until propagation is
> finished or did something go horribly wrong?
>
> thanks
> martin
>
>




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