On 3/19/07, Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You gave him Sarge, right? Have him do a straight install of WindowsXP
with no other CD. Watch him crash and burn as well. Or if he "excuses"
the additional drivers disk(s) required to install WindowsXP then he is
not at all "unbiased".
Win XP installer prompts "F6 to add hardware drivers" or some such.
It makes the opportunity known. It isn't impossible for the Debian
installer to do something to introduce the possibility as I mentioned
before.
Also obvious, you don't know Debian well enough to realize the other
methods. The other methods I speak of, are NOT for the "unwashed masses"
coming from Pre-installed Windows. They are for people who understand
what a chroot is, or howto extract a tar file onto a new system and
properly update it and re-run a tasksel.
Perhaps you don't know Debian well enough to describe the "other methods"
you repeatedly refer to in vagueness. Did you come here to insult
people or be truly helpful?
I wrote a Gentoo how-to for using netboot to clone disks on the sparc
platform, rolling udpcast and dependancies into an installer image I made
available. Don't assume too much. Netboot would be a bit of a hassle to
accomplish in our environment, but it would be possible.
I don't think you get it. I like Debian. My manager doesn't think it is
serious and that is the person who needs to see the light. He would
never install Windows by netboot, so he doesn't think it is a standard
installation method.
I see, update 4 has extra drivers available because of backports to the
SAME version kernel. Wait, RHEL4 uses which Kernel?
It doesn't matter. Redhat and Suse are always doing backports of
whatever drivers they want to inject in there. Even in 2.4 days they
were taking stuff from 2.5.
I don't care, Debian can be easily cleaned and re-deployed *WITHOUT*
being re-installed. Easily. You only have to know this. There are tools
for this.
Well, lets see. One is a postgres database server with hardware raid 5
and 6 disks, while another example is a cyrus server with software raid.
They have different partitioning scheme requirements, and inodes for
thousands of email accounts will need to be higher than an average
filesystem.
For the time it takes to install the net based installer with base and
pick out packages I want, I think I am further ahead with that approach
than figuring out how to reinvent a truck into a beetle and such.
Again, why do hyarge deployments choose Debian? Scalability and 19,000
easily available packages. Also because of cost reductions, when they
don't have the money to spend on "One Vendor Solutions" and rely on the
employees they have to do the job. Finding out that these Vendors are
just taking money.
You don't have to convince me Debian is great. But anyway, Redhat has
very cheap licensing for campuses, so money isn't really an issue.
Debian's adoption is everywhere, for a list of Debian based distros
here is non-comprehensive list I just used on Ben Hmeda:
Admanix, APLINUX, ASLinux, AbulEdu, Formerly Demudi now ANGULA,
ANTEMIUM Linux, Arrabix, Augustux, Backtrack, B2D Linux, BenHUr,
BEERnix, Biadix, BIG LINUX, Bioknoppix, BlackRhino, BRLSpeak,
Bonzai Linux, ClusterKnoppix, Catix, CensorNet, Clusterix,
Condorux, Corel Linux, Danix, Demolinux, DebXPde, Dizinha Linux,
Debian JP, Debian-BR-CDD, DeveLinux, Damn Small Linux(DSL), DCC,
ESware Linux, eduKnoppix, ERPOSS, Evinux, Euronode, Engarde,
emdebian, Ebuntu, FAMELIX, FeatherLinux, FoRK (Vital Data
Forensic or Rescue Kit), Freeduc-cd, Freeduc-Sup, Finnix,
Familiar, GEOLivre Linux, Gibraltar, GNIX-Vivo, Kinneret,
GNUstep Live, grml, GuadaLinex, Gnoppix, Hiweed Linux, Helix,
Hikarunix, IndLinux, Impi Linux, Julex, K-DeMar, Kaella,
Knoppix Linux Azur, Kanotix, KlusTriX, knopILS, Knoppel,
Knoppix64, KnoppixSTD, KNOPPIX, KnoppiXMAME, KNOSciences,
Kurumin, Kalango Linux, Kunbuntu, KnoppMyth, LAMPPIX, LIIS
Linux, Libranet, LinEspa, Linspire, Linux-YeS, Linux Live Game
Project, Linux Loco, LinuxDefender Live! CD, Linux Router
Project, LiVix, Local Area Security Linux (L.A.S.), Luinux, Luit
Linux, Linex, Linuxin, Libranet(though now part of Mandriva),
MAX: Madrid Linux, MediainLinux, MEPIS, Metadistro-Pequelin,
MIKO GNYO/Linux, MoLinux, Munjoy Linux, Morphix, MeNTOPPIX,
Nature's Linux, NordisKnoppix, NepaLinux, NUbuntu,
OpenGroupware.org Knoppix CD, OverclockIX, Oralux, PAIPIX,
ParallelKnoppix, Parsix GNU/Linux, Penguin Sleuth Bootable CD,
PHLAK, PilotLinux, PingOO, Progeny Linux, Prosa, Quantian, RAYS
LX, Salvare, Santa Fe Linux, Slavix, Slix, Slo-Tech Linux,
Soyombo Mongolian Linux, SphinxOS, Stonegate, Stromix
Tecnologies' Storm Linux, Symphony OS, Skolelinux, Tablix on
Morphix, TelemetryBox, Tilix Linux, TupiServer Linux, Ubuntu,
User Linux, Ubuntu Lite X-evian, Xandros, Xfld, Xarnoppix,
Xebian, Zen Linux, ZoneCD, Zopix, zUbuntu
You might want to understand the playing field before trying to play
ball.
Heh. If you think that list would mean anything to IT managers, you have
the
wrong idea of how they evaluate adoption of a Linux distro. That looks
like a list of garage bands or Pokemon characters to them.
--Donald
