On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 18:53 -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > On Thu, Jun 08, 2006 at 06:51:57PM -0500, Owen Heisler wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 05:38 -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 09:53:15PM -0500, Owen Heisler wrote: > > > > On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 09:43 +0100, George Borisov wrote: > > > > > Owen Heisler wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Why doesn't Debian detect the drive? More importantly, what can I > > > > > > do to > > > > > > make it detect it? I have tried all (only two) of the parameters > > > > > > for > > > > > > the sata_via (or via_sata) module. > > > > > > > > > > If so, you might need to use the Etch (testing) installer, rather than > > > > > the Sarge one (stable.) I have installed Sarge on a SATA machine > > > > > before, > > > > > but some people here have reported problems. (There were several > > > > > threads > > > > > on this in the last few months.) > > > > > > > > Okay, I managed to get this image downloaded after about 6 hours (dialup > > > > is blazingly fast!): > > > > http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta2/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso > > > > > > > > ...and it worked! But I want to use Debian stable. This simplest "fix" > > > > for this would be to wait until the applicable change makes it to Debian > > > > stable. I would like to know how long that will be, or what revision of > > > > stable would include the change. I am new to Debian and do not fully > > > > understand the way development occurs, so I don't even know if it is > > > > possible to answer this question. Will it be the next release > > > > (Etch/stable)? Sarge was released in June of 2005, and releases take > > > > 2-3 years (right?), so Etch won't be released until 2007... but maybe a > > > > revision will fix the problem. > > > > > > > > > > Look at > > > http://www.debian.org/releases/ > > > for lots of official information. > > > > > > I, personally, run Sarge/Stable. If you want stability then wait. As > > > long as you don't mindlessly upgrade every few days *your* system *is* > > > stable. But if you know that there are packages that you would like > > > to use, but have not yet installed, the answer is more complicated. > > > > > > Look for a 'back port' of the package that you especially needed to > > > get your system working. If you can find such, you can run a slightly > > > un-Stable version of Stable, by installing Sarge and then installing > > > that back-port. (Back-ports are not official parts of Stable, but they > > > are configured during build to work with Stable.) A problem with > > > stable software is that it generally works best with older hardware. > > > > This doesn't really answer my question; maybe you misunderstood (didn't > > understand my babbling). I just want to know how long it will be > > (date/release/revision) until Debian stable will work with the SATA in > > my system. As you can see above, the testing-amd64-netinst image worked > > for me. I am guessing that, since this image is "Etch", that it will be > > after Etch is released that "Debian stable" will work for me (because it > > will be Etch, then). If that is true, is there any answer to when Etch > > will be released? Is it "any time now", as I have seen mentioned here > > or, like I said before, 2-3 years after the previous release (after June > > 2007)? > > I think another post indicated that there is a back port that enables > SATA for Sarge. If there is such a back port, then it is unlikely that > the same software will actually be made part of Sarge. Debian places > high value on stability. If a critical problem for some, but not all, > users is solved by a back port, it is no longer critical and can be > deferred until release of Etch. > > So... , when will Etch be released as the new Stable? For this > question, you will not get an authoritative answer. Sorry, that is > the way Debian is. No one will commit to a date and keep to that > commitment by releasing software that is not yet ready. Before a > release of a next version, there is often a 'freeze' of new features > while a list of known bugs is whittled down to an acceptable few. > This freeze has, to my knowledge, not been established for Etch, so > release within the next few days would surprise me very much.
This is the answer I expected! :) > My first answer was an attempt to quiet your apparent fears of > the unknown release date. I think you have a running system now, > using Etch. If you are happy with it, use it and be happy. But be > cautious about upgrading within Etch. Install apt-listbugs package. > It will warn you about bugs that have already been reported. > > If you are concerned about it not being officially Stable, I think you > can install Sarge with back ported SATA. But this would not be really > a Stable system, because back ports are not part of the official > release. And, it would be a lot of work, because the apt-get system > doesn't really support the opposite of upgrade cleanly. If you need > SATA for your boot disk, beware. > > I advise that you learn the system that you have installed and > running. It will become Stable somewhere in the middle of the learning > process. I have a running system using Debian stable. I want to use stable, but am planning on changing my hard drive configuration to include SATA. Sarge will detect drives on only half of the ports (two, but I need three), but Etch will. So I either use Etch/testing instead, wait for Etch/stable to be released, or use some other alternative (but I am new to Debian, so don't prefer this). I will probably just wait for Etch to be released. This answers my questions; thanks for your help. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
