On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Gene Heskett wrote: > >This attitude would punish a lot of users, "thank you". For example, > >since they are my ISP, I'm using them as a relay. > > And "open" relays should be banned. Period.
UOL may be a lot of crap, but open relays they are not AFAIK. > I'm forwarding all such messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Its no doubt a > black hole, but... IF it is a blackhole, complain at rfc-ignorant.org. Unlike a damnable user with that annoying challenge-response system enabled to a mailing list, an ISP failing to pay attention to abuse@ is not forgiveable, and UOL has the resources to respond to abuse@ without problems. Rogério, I'd phone UOL right now, and give them hell. They won't listen to YOU, but if enough people complain, they'll do something about it. > The Fedora list has simply expunged all users from this ISP from the > subscription lists, a self defense brought on by a C/R response from > this twerp for every message posted, doubling the load on the servers. Incompetent listmasters there? Blacklisting at least 100000 users for one dumbass that replies with a constant email address you could drop at the incoming MTAs? (and it is probably more like 500000 or so, this ISP is *big* and country-wide). > You see, the C/R responder this clueless twit has setup, is also > expunging all traces of the source user from the headers of the > messages, therefore we have no recourse against that user as an NOW, THAT is something UOL could fix without 'losing face or business'. Rogério, you're their costumer. I'd highly suggest you contact them NOW. Use the Fedora blocking as leverage, and open different tickets (otherwise they WILL ignore your complain and all suggestions that are in the same ticket). I'd suggest one for headers of the original email on the AntispamUOL *email reply* and not the fucking web page, and another to allow us to submit AntispamUOL blacklists to them (which will drop any and all messages requiring AntispamUOL verification that are addressed to some domains). And a third one for the abuse@, warning of the blacklisting which WILL be done through rfc-ignorant.org sooner or later. > individual and must perforce blacklist, reject, or otherwise dispose of > all messages comeing from that triplet of addresses that represent > uol.com.br. Ever heard of VERP? It is immune to forwarding and header cleanup. It has been in use for years. It can be done automatically by the ML software, or you can use an external utility and process the results of a VERP run manually. -- "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
