On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 13:14 +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
> On 11/4/05, James Strandboge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2005-11-04 at 11:11 -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:
> >
> > > I used Solaris for many years for serious embedded development work,
> > > as well as an embedded operating system. I've used Linux for just
> > > about a year. All the GNU tools can be compiled for Solaris, and
> > > it has a few which Linux doesn't have. Many more vendors build
> > > versions of their software for Solaris than do so for Linux. I also
> > > found the Solaris kernel to be much more robust than Linux. I only
> > > *had* to reboot my Solaris machine (running on a Sparc) one time in
> > > 5 years. It was rebooted maybe one to two times per year for some
> > > sort of upgrade or new install, otherwise. I find that I have to
> > > reboot my Linux machine far more often, maybe every month or two,
> > > to clear up some strange state (though far less often than
> > > I have to reboot my Windows machines). I only saw Solaris crash
> > > two times in over five years.
> > >
> > Probably depends on what you are doing.  I have servers running 2.4
> > kernels that only have to be rebooted for kernel upgrades.  Otherwise
> > they are very solid.  Not to mention, if you are comparing commodity
> > hardware to Sun's, then these issues you are having could very well be
> > hardware related (you didn't mention hardware, so I thought I'd toss
> > that out).
> 
> Lovely defence... By the way I hear that loads of server admins tend
> to avoid the 2.6 kernels, implying that they regard the 2.4 series
> more stable. Can anyone confirm if it's actually so or if it's more of
> paranoia?
> 
> > > That sort of weirdness never happened with Solaris. I've also been
> > > unable to umount the floppy, when I know there was no process using
> > > it, using Linux.
> > >
> > This is probably fam running in the background.  This is a known issue
> > and many people just don't use fam as a result.  gamin with an inotify
> > kernel is/will be much better.
> >
> > > Linux seems to be more of a hacker/fiddler's dream, while Solaris
> > > is more of a let's get the job done, it just runs sort of deal.
> >
> > Hmm... I use and rely on GNU/Linux in production for my day to day work
> > without incident, and am quite happy with it.
> 
> That's among the first things I heard about Linux kernel anyways...
> stability. This means that McCarty provided an anti-climactic comment.
> 
> > That said, I will say that I really do NOT like the 2.6 kernel
> > development model.  With so much development happening on a 'stable'
> > kernel, you can't help but introduce new bugs (there were no less than
> > 12 'stable' patches to the 2.6.11 alone).  Leaving it up to the
> > distributors is a disservice to them and users because backporting
> > security patches from the latest upstream to Debian's stable kernel is
> > hard since the 2.6 series is such a moving target.  Of course, it is not
> > like this hasn't been discussed before....
> 
> Where has this been discussed... I'd like to take a peek. Thanks for
> the reply...
> 

For just two:
http://lwn.net/Articles/126763/
http://lwn.net/Articles/157951/ (requires subscription, but will be
available without subscription in a week or so)

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James Strandboge
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