On Wednesday 26 March 2003 10:07, Pigeon wrote:

(respectful snips for bandwidth)

>
> - Have the installer ask whether or not you want a graphical login
>
> - Amend the description of xdm to make it clearer that you don't need
>
>   xdm to use X:
> > Description: X display manager
> >  xdm manages a collection of X servers, which may be on the local host or
> >  remote machines.  It provides services similar to those provided by
> > init, getty, and login on character-based terminals: prompting for login
> > name and password, authenticating the user, and running a session.  xdm
> > supports XDMCP (X Display Manager Control Protocol) and can also be used
> > to run a chooser process which presents the user with a menu of possible
> > hosts that offer XDMCP display management.
>
>   People doing a first-time installation read this and think things like
>   "well, if I use X, I'll be running a session, so I'll need xdm" or
>   maybe "well, I'll need this to log into X, because if I can't log into
>   it how could I use it" or "X servers need managing, do they? OK, well
>   I guess I'll need this to manage them". And it hardly makes it clear
>   that if you install xdm you'll boot straight into a graphical login.

Thanks, Pigeon, this is *exactly* what happened with me as a first-time 
Debian installer.   I've been using RH for a while, which defaults to 
command-line login, so when I read (very briefly) the above I just assumed 
that xdm had been there (in RH) all along and I'd never needed to concern 
myself with it, like most of the dozens of other daemons and widgets in Linux.

The rest of your post (which I've snipped for bandwidth) all reflects exactly 
my experiences.

cr


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