On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 09:49:49AM +1100, Joyce, Matthew wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Devil's advocate: how do you knmow firestarter does what it 
> > says it is doing if you don't understand iptables?  Please 
> > don't take this as a personal attack; I just feel if you 
> > don't understand the technology, using said technology is 
> > fraught with peril.  For a real world example, think "routing 
> > protocols" and look hard at the internet. There is breakage 
> > every day caused by ignorance.
> 
> You cannot eliminate all risks.
> You cannot expect to understand everything.

You can't?  Crap.  I guess I should quit reading documentation and
just find kewl GUIs to do everything for me (kinda what a lot of this
thread is about, neh?)

> Are you suggesting everyone should thoroughly understand tcp/ip, osi layers
> and have read several RFC before sending an email ?

Relax, chief.  There's a big difference between sending an email and
"securing your system"  (don't you think so?)  Sorry, but I stand by
my statement that firewalling applications _can be dangerous_[1] as
they can induce a false sense of security. 

In the case of mail, I see plenty of retarded email which indicates to
me that at the very least, the author of the email program has not
come near an RFC document in her lifetime.  In other words, I do think
informed netizens are better netizens :-)

> As for 'fraught with peril', this is borderline fear mongering.

"fear mongering"?  Puh-leeze.

-- 
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  I must despise the world which does not know that music is a
  higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy.
          -- Ludwig van Beethoven


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