>>"Corrin" == Corrin Lakeland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Corrin> I've been ignoring this thread for a while, but I thought I'd
Corrin> add some support for Harry's point of view here.
Actually, I would like to know what that is. Do we have
problems with testing/unstable? Yes, that is why they are not
released.
Corrin> Firstly, stable vs woody. We recently had a thread on -devel
Corrin> where we concluded that ordinary users are best running
Corrin> testing.
With some caveats: they have to realize testing is not like
stable. They are getting a newer distribution that is rough around
the edges. And upgrading/installing of an unreleased distribution are
indeed going to be problem points.
Corrin> You can't complain they have a hard time installing
Corrin> testing when that is what we tell them to run. Yes the
Do we really? (I don't happen to recal the devel thread, and I
do follow -devel). If we somehow imply that testing is as easy to
install as the stable distribution is, then we are doing these people
a disservice.
Corrin> I'll now post the story of what happened last time I
Corrin> installed debian. The situation isn't that dissimilar from
Corrin> Harry's. -- I've been using unix for a long time and debian
Corrin> for a while. Recently I upgraded my machine again and I've
Corrin> had a number of problems. Furthermore, if I'm having
Corrin> problems, just how bad is Debian for new users? We all hear
Corrin> stories about how people were shown linux years ago and found
Corrin> it _way_ too difficuilt; based on my experiences I think it
Corrin> is still happening.
[problems with the kernel, X, mouse, and framebuffers snipped]
Did you file bug reports for all these problems?
What _is_ the point of this message? Are you saying that woody
is not yet release quality? We know that already. Are you trying to
say installing Debian is harder than installing other distributions,
despite our recent efforts to make it easier? well, my response is
a) we may not have the same target audience that the other
distributions do -- despite our efforts to the contrary
b) This is a volunteer effort. It works when people scratch their
itches, speaking in a software sense. Since this so obviously
bothers you, don't you think you should join in on the boot
floppies effort (debian-boot@lists.debian.org) and help with
making the install a better one? debian-user mails are not
really the most efficient ways to change things.
manoj
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"But Huey, you PROMISED!" "Tell 'em I lied."
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