>>>>> "martin" == martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
martin> --pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt martin> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 martin> Content-Disposition: inline martin> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable martin> also sprach [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.01.21.1735 +0100]: >> Debian should start charging for high-speed apt-get/dselect/whatever >> downloads from it's sites. 56k is free, anything faster you pay for. >> Then we can pay people to work on the not fun stuff that needs doing. >> >> And people who download ISO's to sell should be paying a LOT. martin> do WHAT? I should have been more specific - if you are going to be commercially re-selling them. Hmmm... That does pose a dilemma doesn't it. What's commercial ? Well I find it hard to think in a vacuum which is why I put it on the list. I find it annoying that I can buy a Debian CD for $3.00 + shipping. It should be more. And remember nothing is stopping anyone from taking my CD that I buy and making copies of it. martin> uhm, go and read up on what free software means, and what Debian is. Ok - I'm going to stay far away from the free speech/free beer argument. It does not have a definitive answer. martin> go and pay. contribute, donate. speak to me if you want to martin> know where to turn to. or any other developer. noone will martin> keep you from paying as much as you want for debian, and if martin> you want to pay $50 for everytime you apt-get -u martin> dist-upgrade, we aren't going to object. if you start martin> charging, i am leaving, and i guarantee you that most every martin> other developer will too. I donate everytime I buy a CD. Lately I haven't bought a CD because I apt-get on DSL at midnight. That's what got me thinking about it. It's such a great experience I thought to myself - "it's just not fair that I can do this for free". Debian needs to pay for equipment, T1's, etc... So I pay - then we immediately get into the tar-pit of why should I pay and no one else does. Something of a "tragedy of the commons" argument. There is a similar situation in P2P. .01% of the people upload, everyone else downloads. >> I would like to see more effort directed at the "not fun" stuff in >> development, like error handling, documentation, testing, correctness >> of packaging. People working in their spare time don't like to do >> these sorts of tasks and I don't blame them. martin> want to fund us? or hire me to fix all the bugs? i promise to fix at martin> least 5 bugs a day. HA ! A drop in the bucket. What about regression testing, boot floppy testing, hardware config testing, documentation, code reviews for security... Plus you just made my point - more will get done if we can hire people to work full time. Why not generate that money from CD/ISO/connection sales ? The service/support does not seem to work well, e.g. postgresQL On the other hand, it does seem to work well: Redhat, Suse. Just looking for another approach. Maybe there isn't one and I'll just start writing more checks and that'll be my answer. Brian
