On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 05:48:28PM -0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I think that this is generally a great idea. There is
definately a need for a more secure system than the default, and
besides, efforts to create a fortified port could lead to
improvements in the standard distro as well.

>       Alright... my idea is to create something that makes Debian enters
> that list. But what?... It could be a port!!! Like Debian Hurd, or Debian 
> m68k,
> or Debian Alpha, and so on.... (We can call this Debian Paranoid ;-) )

Maybe not an entire port... but at least some specially
labeled security enhanced packages (like versions that end
in _se or something).

>       But why an entire port? These are the reasons:
>       * everything must be recompiled under stackguard
>         (http://www.immunix.org/stackguard.html). This would prevent the 
> famous
>         "stack smashing" attack.

Only suid root and other potentially hazardous programs
should need to be compiled in this way... definately not
everything, which would be a LOT of work for no good reason.

>       * glibc must be patched with formatguard
>         (http://www.immunix.org/formatguard.html). This would prevent the
>         "format bugs", a bug in the printf function.
>       * libsafe (http://www.avayalabs.com/project/libsafe/index.html) must be
>         incorporated, in order to prevent several buffer overflow exploits.

Again, this isn't so important with non-suid packages...
although general libs that could ever potentially be used by
a suid program would have to be protected as well.

>       * the kernel may be patched with the latest security patches, not only
>         from the official tree, but also the followings:
>               * Openwall (http://www.openwall.com/linux/), which adds a new
>                 Security section in kernel configuration. This is one of the
>                 most known patches around;
>               * HAP-linux (http://www.theaimsgroup.com/~hlein/hap-linux/),
>                 which is a set of patches incremental to the first one.
>               * LIDS (http://www.lids.org), which is a Intrusion Detection
>                 System patched into the kernel.
>               * Linux IP Personality patch 
> (http://ippersonality.sourceforge.net/),
>                 which makes remote SO query very hard (I guess only kernel 
> 2.4 is
>                 supported).
>               * NSA Security-Enhanced patch (http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/), 
> which
>                 adds mandatory access controls to linux.

It would be good to have a port with selinux... but this
definately should not be in the regular distro (not yet!) Of
course, selinux is new and may warrent some time to
establish itself.

>               * Stealth Kernel Patch (http://www.energymech.net/madcamel/fm/),
>                 (I guess this one is too early yet) which hides your machine 
> from
>                 the network.
>               * SysRq_X patch (http://pusa.uv.es/~ulisses/sysrq_X.tar.gz), 
> which
>                 adds the option to execute a program when system crashes
>                 (using Alt-SysRq-X)
>               * SubDomain kernel extension 
> (http://www.immunix.org/subdomain.html),
>                 which is a better implementation of the chroot jail concept.
>               * International Kernel Patch (http://www.kerneli.org), which 
> permits
>                 loopback encryption filesystems
>       * every package that deals with network must be defaultly configured to 
> the
>         most paranoid options (e.g. Squid should have lots of headers filters
>         turned on, etc)
>       * PAM must come with md5 hash enabled by default.

I think that md5 should be the default regardless...
although people should be given the option during install.

Again, I think that this would be A GOOD THING. There are
many corporations and other environments that could really
use the added security. I think that the availability of a
highly secure distro or port would further establish linux
(indeed, Debian) as a first class industrial strength OS.

-- 
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