thanks to the unofficial sources.list page at http://www.internatif.org/bortzmeyer/debian/apt-sources/
i remembered how i got a potato-happy apache up to version 1.3.14 (standard apache is still 1.3.9 for potato): # sources.list deb http://www.debian.org/~kitame/ipv6 ipv6 unstable and the unofficial apt-sources page also led me to a potential php4 page for potato, namely # sources.list deb http://merlin.debian.net/ php4/potato/ which is only partly formed -- needs "main" or "non-free" or "contrib" or some such... what's the incantation? -- (when i browse to merlin.debian.net i get lots of "you're out" but that doesn't help a helluva lot... :) -- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newbieDoc -- next week's newbie needs your brain: document your experience today!