Thanks for your reply. I will try it :) The logout thing might be interesting. I usually just do "init 0" as root to turn of my machine.
The CTRL-ALT-DELETE is basically the same as selecting the "Logout" option from the mouse button 1 menu. I wanted to add another note, that someone on #E suggested. They suggested that I might be OK logging out the bad ways (CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE or "init 0" as you did) as long as no NEW epplets were started. I tried this for a while, making sure to logout correctly whenever I tried a NEW epplet, and although it greatly reduced the frequency of epplet problems, now and then they would come back duplicated. It appears to be caused by E's "session management" capabilities, but that's about all I know... I wish there was a way to turn that stuff off completely, and start epplets from .xsession instead. I start my wmaker dock apps this way, as it's easy to comment them out, when I need to run color intensive apps. At some point I may grab the E sources, and see what's going on, but for now I switch to wmaker when I get too frustrated, but I really love E, and always come back to it. For what it is worth ... John ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
