[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | X is totally confusing me at the moment. Or rather, how to get it all | working, where are the good window managers, etc.
There is a web page dedicated to window managers for X. There you can see most of them in action. I don't have to URL handy, but a search should find it. I'll dig it up if anyone asks. | I've about given up on KDE. I have read a lot about KDE and how good it was; | how many "great product" awards it is receiving, and wanted to install it as | my WM. However, as you know, there aren't any .deb files for the 1.0 release. | (Why are there 1.0 releases [and .deb files] for bo but not hamm? Wasn't bo | under the same license hamm is under??) | | I don't want prerelease (v1.1) software at this point (because of | instability), and the .deb files I can find are for bo - and they want old | versions of libraries that are giving me conflicts with what I have already | installed. Is it worth it to just pull out my new libraries to get the bo | version installed so I can turn around and upgrade again when the hamm release | finally comes back? Will bo versions run on a hamm box? It's quite sad. KDE is an excellent product. I thought debs for 1.0 would be on ftp.kde.org. You could try asking [EMAIL PROTECTED] as he is/was the KDE maintainer. I don't think I'd try to downgrade to bo just to use KDE. Getting bo packages to run on hamm won't be easy either (a big think happened between bo and hamm). | Then, I thought I'd take a stab at compiling the source code for KDE. BIG | mistake. Evidently, I don't have all the X includes it needs, and damned if | it'll tell me what they are - it (./configure) just says they aren't there. I | started to just grab them from the XFree86 site, but I'm not sure what to get, | or if I really need all 140M worth of X11 source just to compile KDE. Don't. Everything you need to compile KDE should be in Debian. You need the -dev packages in addition to all the libraries. For instance, you need both xlib6g and xlib6g-dev. You also need many others. Too bad we haven't implemented source dependencies yet. :-( If you still want to compile KDE after this message, just send me the errors as they come (the error message and config.log) and I'll tell you whick packages to grab. | So, I thought I'd try Window Maker, since I've seen references to it here and | there in this list. Well, I'm in just about the same boat - no binaries on | the Window Maker site, and the source compile instructions say I need the X | includes. Hurumphf... | | I did check ftp.debian.org for the Window Maker files, and of course, they are | for version 0.14 - even though the new version is 0.20. 0.20 is in frozen is you are willing to take the (small?) risk. | Maybe I'm expecting too much. All I'm after is a good windowing system for my | new Linux. One that I'm not going to have to reboot to fix all the time - I | have Win95 for that. One that provides the features I should expect from a | window GUI - scrollbars, flexibility, ease of use, compatibility, maybe some | pretty backgrounds and title bars - and a clean looking interface. Most tastes should be catered for. I'm looking at icewm with blueice theme and xsnow to get the christmas spirit now. Quite nice. I've actually written a small utility called randomwm that picks one wm out of a list randomly each time i start a session. I love surprises. If you are interested, I can send you a list of the environments that I think are worthwhile. The main problem is that some apps are ugly, but that's the price I have to pay for flexibility... | Should I just shut up and download the old versions of the window managers | from the ftp.debian.org site? Or is there a way to get up to date versions | without having to download the source files to things I don't really need - | like X11 - the binaries are just fine, thanks. Can I just get the include | files for X, will that placate the compiles for KDE or Window Maker? As noted above, you could try to upgrade to frozen (slink). It is starting to stabilise and I would have no problem recommending an upgrade to the current frozen. Works great for me. | I wont even go into the errors I'm getting from startx - connect error 11 and | connect error 2 - I'll try to figure those out on my own before I come here | for help. But at this point, I'm beginning to think that console mode is my | best bet for a while. X can be a pain to get started. I installed it on a friend laptop the other day, and the first try resulted in some hippie, floating pastell colours. :-) | Comments, assistance, and tranquilizers will be greatly appreciated. Would a virtual bottle of whisky help? -- The only way tcsh "rocks" is when the rocks are attached to its feet in the deepest part of a very deep lake. (Linus Torvalds) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [-: .elOle. :-] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
